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re: NCAA won’t require qualifying SAT/ACT score for athletes until Fall 2023
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:31 pm to Leto II
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:31 pm to Leto II
100 years ago, colleges expected elementary knowledge of Greek and Latin; now they are teaching remedial English
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:48 pm to AllbyMyRelf
COVID is accelerating changes that were already taking place in education in response to new technology.
The ACT is a funny test. I took it without a calculator my sophomore year (math being my weak subject) and still scored higher than the girl who would go on to become our valedictorian. She took it 7 more times before she finally made a higher score than me.
The ACT is a funny test. I took it without a calculator my sophomore year (math being my weak subject) and still scored higher than the girl who would go on to become our valedictorian. She took it 7 more times before she finally made a higher score than me.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:49 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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100 years ago, colleges expected elementary knowledge of Greek and Latin; now they are teaching remedial English
When everyone has a college degree, no one has a college degree.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:57 pm to Chad4Bama
quote:Parent's pay out the arse to get their kids ACT Test Prep classes, manuals and private ACT tutoring + the fees ACT charges and the multiple times parents will pay for their kids take it over and over to get a better grade.
GPAs are inflated these days. Back in the 90s if you hit 30 on the ACT that was pretty unusual. Now you've got 3-4 kids from the same school sometimes scoring 36s...there has to have been some score inflation going on. The ACT/SAT was the one criteria that couldn't be manipulated like GPAs. Some schools will graduate kids with a 3.5 who can barely read... especially if that's the only criteria for a "free" scholarship.
Of course these days, they just give out scholarships if you started a "diversity club" at your school. Grades and tests are racist.
It's a racket, but people have learned how to "take the ACT" and they make money on the side tutoring the skills to effectively take the test and get higher scores.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:59 pm to paperwasp
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When everyone has a college degree, no one has a college degree.
bingo
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:59 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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100 years ago, colleges expected elementary knowledge of Greek and Latin; now they are teaching remedial English
It's an apples to oranges comparison. The world is vastly different now.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:02 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:Yes, the average student is much dumber now than 100 years ago.
The world is vastly different now.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:09 pm to Quicksilver
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COVID is accelerating changes that were already taking place in education in response to new technology.
The ACT is a funny test. I took it without a calculator my sophomore year (math being my weak subject) and still scored higher than the girl who would go on to become our valedictorian. She took it 7 more times before she finally made a higher score than me.
Spot on I took it my Sophomore year and got a 26 without taking some of the classes that would of helped if I took it later. Also took it again my senior year and got a 30 which help me get a partial academic scholarship and grant money.
Not going to give myself away on here cause I don't want to get doxxed, played D1 double A ball so got half scholarship. Between Football, Academic and My father's GI bill was able to not have student loans when I finished school.
Anyway at the time in 2003 the NCAA clearinghouse you needed aleast 19 on ACT or 860 on SAT to be eligible at all division of play. If you couldn't qualify you became a "Prop 48" athlete or gray-shirt.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:11 pm to SmokeTide
Pretty sure proposition 48 was last used in 2001. Anthony Madison was the last prop 48 signee Alabama had, for instance.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:12 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Nope definitely had them in 2003
ETA: it's possible that it could have been changed the name during that time frame but I know coaches used to refer to "Props" that couldn't practice but allowed to do drills, workouts and study hall
ETA: it's possible that it could have been changed the name during that time frame but I know coaches used to refer to "Props" that couldn't practice but allowed to do drills, workouts and study hall
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:20 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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Yes, the average student is much dumber now than 100 years ago.
Yes, because there is a shitload more of them.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 3:22 pm to SmokeTide
Glad I didn't go to school in this timeframe. I remember teaching at the local community college for extra money when in the military and being told anybody who is up to date with their payments will pass the class.
The amount of extra credit I had to give was insane.
The amount of extra credit I had to give was insane.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:28 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Yes
Glad you agree
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:23 pm to AllbyMyRelf
I don't know that you're understanding my point though. 
Posted on 4/16/21 at 6:15 am to Leto II
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Grades. This kind of standardized testing is dying. SAT and ACT are big business and really don't do that well predicting how you do in college.
It's not a cultural or societal thing, I think high schools and colleges are realizing the SAT and ACT are in it for the money and not all that effective.
Colleges were already moving away from them before the NCAA was announcing this.
All of this. They’re not as good of predictors of college success as they once were (evolving student population and test prep has skewed the results) and they’ve proven to be pretty easy to cheat if you have enough money (see the Varsity Blues scandal). AP, Dual Enrollment, and IB coursework has already taken precedent over tests scores prior to these changes anyway. Plenty of other ways to vet students. UGA’s admissions rate just dropped to 38% without SAT/ACT this Spring, not like the absence of the exam made it easier to get in.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 6:19 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:27 am to paperwasp
Make paying players a thing: check
Remove academics enrollment requirements: check
Allow players to transfer with impunity: check
Only step needed now is to remove gpa and course hour requirements and the ncaa will have completed their transition to a professional sports organization
Remove academics enrollment requirements: check
Allow players to transfer with impunity: check
Only step needed now is to remove gpa and course hour requirements and the ncaa will have completed their transition to a professional sports organization
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:09 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Don't forget
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Assail the casual fan with your unsolicited political ideology: check
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:05 am to paperwasp
Rewarding bad behavior, doesn't work for dogs , doesn't work for...... PATHETIC
Posted on 4/16/21 at 12:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Have they stopped giving the SAT or ACT?
I’ve had some families I work with have to drive 2-3 hours to find an ACT site because they keep cancelling.
We’re still required to give it in our district at the school as a state benchmark. Supposedly they won’t use those scores for this year in evaluating schools.
Anyone who's been paying much attention at all knows that standardized tests across the board at all grade levels have suffered. This year's seniors missed almost 3 months last year. If it's just a short term waiver, it's understandable. If it becomes permanent, that's a different story.
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