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re: NCAA won’t require qualifying SAT/ACT score for athletes until Fall 2023
Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:37 am to paperwasp
Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:37 am to paperwasp
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Have they changed these tests, or are students just more prepared now?
probably both. You could get a full ride in-state and out of state tuition waived a lot of places when I was in high school with a 29-30 on the ACT.
I think lottery scholarships are also skewing the numbers with more kids being able to go to school that couldn't afford it prior.
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:39 am to paperwasp
In a couple of months you won't even need a diploma.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:40 am to paperwasp
So you only need a barely functional brain to get into college. America is moving backwards.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:45 am to paperwasp
Can we stop referring to them as student athletes?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:00 pm to Choot em Tiger
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Eddie Lacy could’ve gotten into bama so much easier these days.
BAMA brings out the best in people.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:02 pm to AllbyMyRelf
They are athletes at this point. None of those guys attend class or do their own work unless they want to. I went to a small private university and the athletes there didn’t even do anything.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:05 pm to paperwasp
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Have they changed these tests, or are students just more prepared now?
The second one. The emphasis on the test since I took it in the late 90s continued to grow so much that almost every student that was taking it now was doing at least one full prep class, if not more, and taking it multiple times. It was rare for anyone to take it more than once when I was in high school, and I don't even remember people doing test prep.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:07 pm to paperwasp
Social Justice! Those tests were racist anyway!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:41 pm to RT1941
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I wonder how schools are awarding scholarships ($$) with no test scores?
Grades. This kind of standardized testing is dying. SAT and ACT are big business and really don't do that well predicting how you do in college.
It's not a cultural or societal thing, I think high schools and colleges are realizing the SAT and ACT are in it for the money and not all that effective.
Colleges were already moving away from them before the NCAA was announcing this.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 1:56 pm to lsufball19
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I think lottery scholarships are also skewing the numbers with more kids being able to go to school that couldn't afford it prior.
Interesting thought. I hadn't considered that, but it makes sense.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:01 pm to paperwasp
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Interesting thought. I hadn't considered that, but it makes sense.
Yeah when you guarantee admission to a state school if you meet certain grade and test score thresholds (which are not high), it makes it so much harder to get into the flagship school because that's where everyone wants to go. I'm from Tennessee and I know UT has become much harder to get into and a lot of kids are starting off at schools like UTC and then trying to transfer. That's why UGA is so difficult to get into. They just got into the lottery scholarship business before everyone else did. Ours in TN started with college freshmen and high school seniors in the fall of 2003. I believe HOPE in GA started in the early 90s
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:02 pm to paperwasp
In places where we shut down elementary schools, there will be millions of kids that missed their literacy window. Wild how we sacrificed all these innocent children.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:04 pm to Leto II
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I wonder how schools are awarding scholarships ($$) with no test scores?
Grades.
I guess that means if you're a junior or a senior in high school, your grades better be excellent, because there will be no standardized test scores to push you to the top?
And if your GPA isn't already among the top percentiles, it's probably too late to raise it, and you're fricked for a scholarship.
(Unless you're an athlete.)
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:06 pm to paperwasp
Going off grades is stupid. My wife is a teacher and they literally made them basically re give test to make sure students get good grades.
By 2030 college students won’t know shite
By 2030 college students won’t know shite
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:13 pm to Leto II
quote:I live in a city with the absolute worst public schools probably in the country. I mean shite public schools where teachers literally spoon feed students and "give" them grades.
Grades. This kind of standardized testing is dying. SAT and ACT are big business and really don't do that well predicting how you do in college.
Only standardized tests scores reflect the actual academic inadequacy of these schools and when they failed to make improvement the State had to take over. Getting rid of standardized testing would allow underperforming schools to let students to slide by.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:15 pm to internetdad
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Going off grades is stupid. My wife is a teacher and they literally made them basically re give test to make sure students get good grades.
I think that's a valid point, especially with COVID.
I've heard both ends of the spectrum over this past year - decent students failing because there is no in-person help, and typically poor students doing well because everything is open book and online.
Don't schools also still have varying ways of assigning averages, as in some give extra points for advanced/IB classes, but some don't? I see a lot of kids with 4.0+ GPAs now, but I don't think everyone does that, or at least they didn't used to.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:21 pm to RT1941
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Getting rid of standardized testing would allow underperforming schools to let students to slide by.
This makes logical sense, but you're talking about a higher educational system that already rewards some students and punishes others literally based on how they look, so I don't have a ton of confidence that they'll follow along with that logic.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:23 pm to Miznoz
GPAs are inflated these days. Back in the 90s if you hit 30 on the ACT that was pretty unusual. Now you've got 3-4 kids from the same school sometimes scoring 36s...there has to have been some score inflation going on. The ACT/SAT was the one criteria that couldn't be manipulated like GPAs. Some schools will graduate kids with a 3.5 who can barely read... especially if that's the only criteria for a "free" scholarship.
Of course these days, they just give out scholarships if you started a "diversity club" at your school. Grades and tests are racist.
Of course these days, they just give out scholarships if you started a "diversity club" at your school. Grades and tests are racist.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:28 pm to internetdad
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By 2030 college students won’t know shite
They are already kind of dumb
Posted on 4/15/21 at 2:30 pm to internetdad
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My wife is a teacher and they literally made them basically re give test to make sure students get good grades.
I know last year (even 1st 1/2 of this year) it was an unwritten rule around here that nobody would fail because of the virtual learning and circumstances. Once word got out last spring, hardly anybody was doing shite.
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