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re: NCAA Rules Committee Proposes to Eliminate HUNH

Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:20 am to
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:20 am to
I agree with AU fans that this rule won't kill their offense. It will limit some of what they do, but they will still be really good on offense. All this does is give defenses and equal chance to sub their players and get set, which makes sense to me.

I agree that it is not primarily a safety issue, that said it has to be a factor. If you go from 65 plays a game to 85 plays a game that's almost 300 extra plays in a 13-14 game schedule. That's almost 300 extra chances per season to get a concussion, blow a knee, etc. If someone asked you whether you'd rather stand in a lightning storm holding up a metal golf club 1 time or 3 times, which would you choose? I'd like my odds better doing it 1 time rather than 3 from a safety standpoint. Some of that is just common sense stuff that doesn't need a study to back it up.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 10:23 am
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30940 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:20 am to
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It might and probably will. It certainly takes an aspect that Gus prefers away, but Gene Chizik mostly took that away in 2010 and the offense was still very good. Obviously Gus likes to use tempo and thinks his offense is most effective using it, but I think he has showed enough to prove that he can run a very good offense with or without tempo.
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An excellent attitude!...and you're probably right.






This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 10:21 am
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31774 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:23 am to
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Whether Saban is behind this or not, I love the fact that everyone thinks he is powerful enough to change NCAA rules.
+1

Just like they honestly think the REC rules the universe. I've got a 70 yr old uncle that's a member of the REC, the old fart looks forward to meeting with his REC cronies so he can get away from my aunt once a month and drink his bourbon in peace. Just like "stag night" at the country club - he can play poker and drink his whiskey.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54839 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:23 am to
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All this does is give defenses and equal chance to sub their players and get set, which makes sense to me.
A rule that allows this is already in place.

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If you go from 65 plays a game to 85 plays a game that's almost 300 extra plays in a 13-14 game schedule.
Let me see the data that shows this is happening.

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That's almost 300 extra chances per season ton get a concussion, blow a knee, etc.
Should we then not have all of these bowl games, playoff games, conference championship games, etc?

Using the simple fact of more football equals more injuries is a very weak argument for a rules change and signals that the sport itself should be played less.

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If someone asked you whether you'd rather stand in a lightning storm holding up a metal golf club 1 time or 3 times, which would you choose? I'd like my odds better doing it 1 time rather than 3.
This analogy only works if you believe playing the game of football is so dangerous that it is fundamentally stupid to play.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37734 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:23 am to
Haha. This shite will be funny watching AU hurry up to the line while Ds casually walk on and off.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22276 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:24 am to
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the HUNH is a gimmick. it's like the "quick pitch" in baseball. it's bush league and it's chicken shite. i hope they do eliminate it. line up and play football beatch. quit being a pussy.


This.

The HUNH takes away the chess match of football. It's a sucker punch.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18454 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:24 am to
Saban Scared....
Posted by BuccWildBammer
AL
Member since Nov 2011
23340 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:28 am to
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Saban Scared....


Again sorry to mention but had nothing to do with the SEC

Troy Calhoun from Air Force proposed it

AU's O snaps aren't comparable to teams out West like Wash St and Arizona that run about 80 - 90 plays a game

James Franklin type O
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:28 am to
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A rule that allows this is already in place.

BS...if this is true why do teams have to fake injuries to get a winded guy out? If there is a rule in place, the refs aren't enforcing it.
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Let me see the data that shows this is happening.

I've seen it on ESPN, but not going to look it up. The average number of plays run in 2000 was around 60-65, now the average is up nearly 20 plays per game a decade or so later.
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Should we then not have all of these bowl games, playoff games, conference championship games, etc?

That's a legit question. I think with the new playoff, we should consider eliminating one of the cupcake games everyone plays every year to balance it out.
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This analogy only works if you believe playing the game of football is so dangerous that it is fundamentally stupid to play.
Every analogy is flawed on some level. Still, you get the point. The more times you do something that can cause injury, the odds of an actual injury increase. That's a fact whether you liked the analogy or not.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 10:29 am
Posted by See5
Member since Jul 2012
958 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:30 am to
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The HUNH takes away the chess match of football. It's a sucker punch.


This doesn't even make any sense. Actually using the hurry up is a strategic move itself. Changing the rules to stop it is not.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 10:31 am
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37734 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:30 am to
Saban gets what Saban wants.
Posted by DaBama
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2011
1705 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:30 am to
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Gene Chizik mostly took that away in 2010 and the offense was still very good.


True but Auburn still ran tempo at times and let's face it, you guys had possibly the best qb in SEC history taking snaps.

In 2011, Chizik took tempo completely off the table in order to give the defense more time to rest while the offense was on the field. Malzahn was out of his comfort zone and it showed. Of course, Auburn had lost just about everybody from the 2010 team so that obviously played a big part in the drop off in production.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:35 am to
It's not BS. A rule IS in place to give defenses an equal chance to sub. The PROBLEM (and bear in mind - I am a fan of a team that currently uses a no-huddle spread that focuses on tempo) is enforcement. What happens is the refs are NOT doing a good job of keeping track of offensive substitutions and allowing the defense to sub when the offenses do.

In our Big XII days, I watched Tech and OSU do this (sub offensive players without us getting to sub any defenders) to us time and time again, PARTICULARLY in the last game we played against OSU (2011, under Sherman). The worst is when a team has a platoon of WR set up to run streaks down the friendly (team's own) sideline with the sole purpose of having them sneak off to said own sideline after running their route, melt into the other players there, and be replaced, unseen by the ref, with a fresh guy going against a tired corner, and repeat.

That's BS - sneaking players on and off without corresponding subs. Dictating the pace is not BS, that's the offense's perogative and should remain so.

I'd rather they address the rules ALREADY IN PLACE and have them emphasized with the refs and do special training with the refs rather than put in a draconian clock rule to solve what could be solved with just good officiating of the existing rule.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 10:43 am
Posted by All4Qtrs
tCapitol
Member since Nov 2013
1056 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:36 am to
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allin2010


i guess this isnt a melt thread...
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54839 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:38 am to
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In 2011, Chizik took tempo completely off the table in order to give the defense more time to rest while the offense was on the field. Malzahn was out of his comfort zone and it showed
Maybe. I think it had more to do with a brand new o-line and a QB that couldn't make good decisions or make them quickly enough.

For the record, Auburn ranked 62nd out of 125 in plays per game last year.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54839 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:42 am to
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BS...if this is true why do teams have to fake injuries to get a winded guy out? If there is a rule in place, the refs aren't enforcing it.

If offense subs, defense can to. If offense doesn't sub, defense has to risk not being lined up properly if it chooses to get rested players in while the offenses uses tired players. Seems pretty fair.

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The more times you do something that can cause injury, the odds of an actual injury increase.
Sure, but this applies to running sprints, walking down the street, getting out of bed, driving a car, flying in an airplane, etc.

This argument then isn't about safety related to HUNH, but safety of the game in general. That is a dangerous path to start down just to gain a competitive advantage.

Trying to mask this as a safety issue has huge potential to backfire.
This post was edited on 2/13/14 at 10:43 am
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18454 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:50 am to
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i guess this isnt a melt thread.


I guess you are a dyehard Auburn Fan... Give it up...

Some of your other post...

I think i might be the first Ranter to get the boot by his own fanbase ..

tMELT is real! I dont like it. NOT AT ALL!!! :cheeky I See a Pattern in your post....
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31774 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:51 am to
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True but Auburn still ran tempo at times and let's face it, you guys had possibly the best qb in SEC history taking snaps.

In 2011, Chizik took tempo completely off the table in order to give the defense more time to rest while the offense was on the field. Malzahn was out of his comfort zone and it showed. Of course, Auburn had lost just about everybody from the 2010 team so that obviously played a big part in the drop off in production.



Gus also subbed out QB's every other play in '11 for some crazy reason. That coupled with a green oline and Chiz trying to save his defense impacted Gus' normal offensive production.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:51 am to
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If offense subs, defense can to. If offense doesn't sub, defense has to risk not being lined up properly if it chooses to get rested players in while the offenses uses tired players. Seems pretty fair.
IOW, the offense gets to sub whenever they need to, but the defense only gets to when the offense decides to let them. What if the role was reversed, and the offense couldn't sub unless the defense let them and the defense could start rushing up field regardless of if the offense was set and ready? All I'm saying is level the field to let the offense AND defense sub whenever they need to, and let the defense get set before the offense blasts into a DE still standing up trying to get into position. I'm not sure this rule is the answer, but something has to be done and will be done at some point.
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Sure, but this applies to running sprints, walking down the street, getting out of bed, driving a car, flying in an airplane, etc.

This is true, but everyone has to drive to work, or fly for business, or run sprints to stay in shape to play ball. We DON'T have to run 85 plays a game instead of 65. Big difference.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54839 posts
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:54 am to
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This is true, but everyone has to drive to work, or fly for business, or run sprints to stay in shape to play ball. We DON'T have to run 85 plays a game instead of 65. Big difference.

So driving and flying should be limited to only those things necessary for work because of the increased risk of injury related to all other reasons for transportation?

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We DON'T have to run 85 plays a game instead of 65.
We don't have to run 65 instead of 40. Who gets to set the cut off and why? Hell, we don't have to play football. That was my point. Making more football inherently a player safety issue is a dangerous path to head down. Where does it stop and why?
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