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re: NCAA legal battle continues, could open door for college athletes to form unions
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:49 pm to morriscat2
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:49 pm to morriscat2
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College sports is a privilege that does not have to be extended, and the recipients are given a free education in the process. Bring back amateur sports..
If you really want things to change, drop ESPN.
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:54 pm to paperwasp
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If they could make this feasible, however, it would really be the best of both worlds (letting players decide their own path without changing the college sports that we already have).
Perhaps Mike Leach was on the right track..
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“This should not be a masquerade party of professionals. Are you a professional or are you not?” says Leach during an interview in his office earlier this week. “Instead of sitting here and having 17-year-olds lecture everybody that they are professionals, well, let them be professionals. It’s one [amateur] or the other [professional]. Right now, we’ve got this whole mysterious stratosphere of people wiggling all over back and forth.”
Mike Leach NIL
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“With professionals comes responsibility,” he says. “Yeah, you will potentially make more money. But you are drafted and can be traded. That’s what professionals do. This college football group [of administrators], they are all shocked by that. Why are you shocked by it? Name one league of professionals who don’t do it that way.”
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:58 pm to BigBro
Posted on 5/19/23 at 2:09 pm to paperwasp
The best part of that plan imo is that they can’t transfer because USC or Texas or Alabama or whoever is offering $2 million per year..
They get paid a salary, and they might get traded, but they are under a contract.
SIGN ME UP!
The transfer portal is great for the smaller sports.. and it is great for the guys that need a fresh start or are playing behind an all american..
The transfer portal should not be for Caleb Williams (though I am thankful for that one) or Jordan Addison or the big name guys that just want to get paid.
They get paid a salary, and they might get traded, but they are under a contract.
SIGN ME UP!
The transfer portal is great for the smaller sports.. and it is great for the guys that need a fresh start or are playing behind an all american..
The transfer portal should not be for Caleb Williams (though I am thankful for that one) or Jordan Addison or the big name guys that just want to get paid.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 2:17 pm to BigBro
The transfer portal has the easiest solution.
1 year redshirt for all undergrads on every transfer.
If someone wants to pay you, that's fine. They better be paying for 2 years because you aren't playing the first one.
If you want to leave your current situation, that's fine. You can get out right away. But you have to sit a year.
If a player has their degree. They should have eligibility to transfer and play right away at any period of time before fall camp and after bowl season.
1 year redshirt for all undergrads on every transfer.
If someone wants to pay you, that's fine. They better be paying for 2 years because you aren't playing the first one.
If you want to leave your current situation, that's fine. You can get out right away. But you have to sit a year.
If a player has their degree. They should have eligibility to transfer and play right away at any period of time before fall camp and after bowl season.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 2:24 pm to meansonny
That method worked before. While I do think some kids will get hurt by that rule, overall I think it’s the best way to go.
As for the Mike Leach plan.. it’s genius if you really think about it..
You are offering every single kid that wants to play the option to go pro and make some money, or to stay an amateur and get an education. You aren’t alienating anyone which should avoid any antitrust lawsuits or violations.
You are giving the kids the choice.. and if they get drafted by ______ that will really suck for them.. Who wants to go play for that team?
But that is the risk you take when choose the pro route.. just like every NFL player. There are teams you want to go play for.. and teams that are not as desirable.
As for the Mike Leach plan.. it’s genius if you really think about it..
You are offering every single kid that wants to play the option to go pro and make some money, or to stay an amateur and get an education. You aren’t alienating anyone which should avoid any antitrust lawsuits or violations.
You are giving the kids the choice.. and if they get drafted by ______ that will really suck for them.. Who wants to go play for that team?
But that is the risk you take when choose the pro route.. just like every NFL player. There are teams you want to go play for.. and teams that are not as desirable.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 2:30 pm to BigBro
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While I do think some kids will get hurt by that rule,
There is no hurt.
Honestly.
If a kid is in a bad situation, he can still leave. Nothing "hurts" waiting a season.
It just isn't convenient and those with weaker constitutions just don't know the difference.
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You are giving the kids the choice..
Kids have the choice.
Always have.
The choice for semipro ball sucks. Canada sucks. Being a professional football player anywhere other than the NFL sucks (and it sucks compared to free room/board/$5k stipend, grants, and now NIL from a P5 school).
The choice for semipro ball has always been there. It just isn't sexy.
I blame the NFL, too.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 3:28 pm to BigBro
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As for the Mike Leach plan.. it’s genius if you really think about it
Posted on 5/19/23 at 3:32 pm to paperwasp
Rest in peace Coach Leach..
You are a legend in my book and you are missed.
You are a legend in my book and you are missed.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 3:54 pm to swinetime
quote:+ gym membership dues + private trainers + dietitians & nutritionists + tutors + team logo apparel and footwear.
If they are paid employees then they should have to pay to attend school, housing, meals, ect
Posted on 5/19/23 at 4:20 pm to Wtodd
Then we can go back to actual students playing intermural sports.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:31 pm to paperwasp
Well it was nice while it lasted because if this actually happens college football is effectively done.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:46 pm to BevoBucks
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The Supreme Court ruled the NCAA violated anti-trust.
Can you link this ruling please. Thanks
Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:50 pm to paperwasp
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Employees wouldn't be bound by academic qualifications or eligibility, right?
The contract for employment can require education for the employed.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 5:56 pm to TideWarrior
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The contract for employment can require education for the employed.
I don't think it can legally force you to be a permanent student.
Nor can it discriminate based on age (6 years removed from high school).
Posted on 5/19/23 at 6:38 pm to meansonny
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I don't think it can legally force you to be a permanent student.
Nor can it discriminate based on age (6 years removed from high school).
Just like my current job I am required to complete a certain number PD courses every year. Part of the contract and an employer can put any stipulation they want in the contract. That does not mean the candidate has to sign it.
In the end if they become employees which is what the NLRB has been advocating for it will be just another step closer to the end of certain sports at the collegiate level.
If you think NIL is bad wait until they start demanding profit sharing and whatnot. Eventually the schools, especially the state funded ones, are going to cut ties. Once the universities start seeing profits drop with more money going to the athlete that may be the final straw.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:11 pm to TideWarrior
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Just like my current job I am required to complete a certain number PD courses every year.
Lol
You are comparing professional development courses to university level credits?
Is that an employer requirement? Or a job requirement (I have CE every 2 years for my job... but it is a government requirement. Not my employer).
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In the end if they become employees
It won't happen.
Courts won't hold it up. It's the same thing that happened with NLRB and northwestern.
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Once the universities start seeing profits
Most universities do not see profits. The UGA athletic association pays about $5+M per year to the university. I'd guess that less than 10 universities in the country do something like that.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 7:12 pm to TideWarrior
And my points still stand.
An employer cannot force you to be a permanent student.
And an employer cannot force you to take education classes which do not relate to your career.
Your neck is way out there on this one.
An employer cannot force you to be a permanent student.
And an employer cannot force you to take education classes which do not relate to your career.
Your neck is way out there on this one.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 6:12 pm to meansonny
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Is that an employer requirement?
Yes it is an employer requirement.
Posted on 5/21/23 at 6:13 pm to meansonny
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And my points still stand.
An employer cannot force you to be a permanent student.
And an employer cannot force you to take education classes which do not relate to your career.
Your neck is way out there on this one.
An employer can put whatever they want in a contract. It does not mean anyone has to accept the conditions of the contract and/or sign it but they can add any clause they like. Not sure what part you fail to understand there.
I see it here at the university where I am at. Someone wants to teach but does not have PhD completed and a condition of employment requires that they complete it within a certain time frame or will not have their contract renewed.
This post was edited on 5/21/23 at 6:20 pm
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