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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:47 am to paperwasp
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If you can't make a roster, why not go back down and play in college for a while? Employees wouldn't be bound by academic qualifications or eligibility, right?
For the most part, I take the "why do I care" approach.
But you hit the nail on the head.
The only reason these players are any good is because they are beating up on kids just out of high school.
Once they are employees, why wouldn't I (if I were an employer) just go out and hire 25-30 year olds to beat up on kids just out of high school. They will do a better job of it with both physical and mental maturity
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:56 am to Leto II
Ultimately, greed is ruining the game, on all sides.
Coaches want more money.
Players want more money.
Players want to transfer whenever they want.
Fans want more playoff teams.
Fans want to play better teams.
We had a great thing..
and we screwed it up..
all of us..
I’ll still watch and be a huge fan of my team as long as they are affiliated with my school.. but if they turn into the Austin Longhorns.. yeah, that won’t be the same.
We had a good run boys.. but the house of cards we built is crumbling to the ground.
My one hope: We tell the players to frick off, as we let the 4 and 5 star players that want to make money go the NFL G League..
Give me a team of 2 and 3 stars and let’s play ball..
Coaches want more money.
Players want more money.
Players want to transfer whenever they want.
Fans want more playoff teams.
Fans want to play better teams.
We had a great thing..
and we screwed it up..
all of us..
I’ll still watch and be a huge fan of my team as long as they are affiliated with my school.. but if they turn into the Austin Longhorns.. yeah, that won’t be the same.
We had a good run boys.. but the house of cards we built is crumbling to the ground.
My one hope: We tell the players to frick off, as we let the 4 and 5 star players that want to make money go the NFL G League..
Give me a team of 2 and 3 stars and let’s play ball..
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:00 am to nicholastiger
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you make all athletes employees and combined with Title IX - it's gonna be a blood bath for men's sports and cuts
Football rosters may become more NFL like as far as numbers.
The unlimited supports staffs would go away to be able to balance the budget.
Plus some schools may shutter athletics for good and go back to their original mission as educators
That's when the SEC breaks off and forms a independent league from the NCAA and just licenses the name and mascot of the school for $1/yr for 1,000 yrs.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:56 am to paperwasp
I think we should only pay the black ones. Something like a bagillion dollars a piece should be fair
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:11 pm to BigBro
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My one hope: We tell the players to frick off, as we let the 4 and 5 star players that want to make money go the NFL G League..
Give me a team of 2 and 3 stars and let’s play ball..
Could not agree more.
Let players go professional (or semi) if they want to get paid. If they'd rather go to school, let them get a free education — just don't mix the two.
The problem I keep running up against with this scenario is exactly what you mentioned regarding an NFL G League. There is no way the NFL would subsidize this, because as it stands they're getting their players developed for free.
If they could make this feasible, however, it would really be the best of both worlds (letting players decide their own path without changing the college sports that we already have).
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:16 pm to paperwasp
I’d actually prefer a w-2 employee setup for college football vs the 1099 contracted guns-for-hire dumpster fire we currently have.
It’s the only way to have negotiated, legally enforceable rules in place.
It’s the only way to have negotiated, legally enforceable rules in place.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:23 pm to paperwasp
If they are paid employees then they should have to pay to attend school, housing, meals, ect
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:24 pm to BevoBucks
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I’d actually prefer a w-2 employee setup for college football vs the 1099 contracted guns-for-hire dumpster fire we currently have
I don't think you comprehend what we have today (court rulings).
I don't think you comprehend that what we have today will not go away even with a w2 status.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:44 pm to meansonny
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I don't think you comprehend what we have today (court rulings). I don't think you comprehend that what we have today will not go away even with a w2 status.
The Supreme Court ruled the NCAA violated anti-trust. A collective bargaining agreement is the only way to legally install some guardrails to unlimited free agency (our current model).
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:45 pm to BevoBucks
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The Supreme Court ruled the NCAA violated anti-trust.
Players own their own NIL.
How does making them a W2 employee change that?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:52 pm to swinetime
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If they are paid employees then they should have to pay to attend school, housing, meals, etc.
Very curious how that would be handled in this scenario.
It's tempting to apply an NFL model here, but they generate far more annual revenue and don't have to provide the same benefits (like the cost of a college undergraduate or graduate degree).
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:58 pm to nicholastiger
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Plus some schools may shutter athletics for good and go back to their original mission as educators.
Universities would probably license their athletic brands to investors. This could also lead to relocations: Some college teams could eventually relocate to bigger cities (ND -> Chicago, Bama -> Birmingham, etc)…
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:02 pm to meansonny
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Players own their own NIL.
I don’t think NIL itself is the problem. Penalty free transfers twist NIL into tampering/unlimited free agency. Put some rules in the union’s signed agreement.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:26 pm to AUreo
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Some college teams could eventually relocate to bigger cities
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:26 pm to paperwasp
This is all leftist BS! Lawyers and Unions will get kickbacks and players will get rich off the backs of taxpayer funded Universities. The primary mission of universities is education. College sports is a privilege that does not have to be extended, and the recipients are given a free education in the process. Bring back amateur sports. There are plenty of humble people willing to replace these spoiled brats. The competition would still be excellent. Let the prima-donnas go straight to the pros.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:26 pm to BevoBucks
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Penalty free transfers
That's an ncaa issue.
The SEC has more stringent rules than the ncaa.
You don't need to make athletes employees in order to change those rules.
I don't see the correlation to w2 that you are making.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:32 pm to morriscat2
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The competition would still be excellent.
Not really
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Let the prima-donnas go straight to the pros.
The NFL won't allow them
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:35 pm to Leto II
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The competition would still be excellent.
Not really
It actually would be fine.
High school football is huge in Georgia.
Games are competitive.
Rivalries are heated.
Those are the same players feeding D1.
For some reason... I don't care about the level of competition when it comes to the NFL. They don't get my viewership. Nor my money. And those are the same players coming from the SEC.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 1:46 pm to Leto II
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Not really
I think it could be, against similar competition.
There are plenty of extremely talented players out there to fill rosters, even excluding the relatively small number of "elite" guys.
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The NFL won't allow them
To my earlier comments, I think the NFL is culpable in all of this, they just have the luxury of sitting back and watching the colleges figure it out. A semi-pro league could fix all of this, but there is no real incentive to do so. Maybe some administrators need to band together and force their hand.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 1:51 pm
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