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Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:23 am to Cobbvol
Isn’t there some penalty for not hitting certain academic/graduation marks?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:55 am to Cobbvol
Duke, middle of the pack in ACC...something is amiss.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:13 am to mckibaj
When your players are so good and well coached that they go to the NFL after three years it lowers the grad rate.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:29 am to Sweepthleg
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Who gives a shite about this anymore? They aren’t paid to play school.
This is it.
Half the guys on any team couldn’t get out of high school without help, much less succeed in college.
Places like Vandy are the exception. And look how shitty they are.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 7:39 am to Cobbvol
That’s actually very impressive on the part of Alabama. Tip of the cap to them.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:21 am to 49 to nada
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Do you really want a real, non-troll answer? Places like Georgia, Texas, Florida, Michigan and others have high admission standards among publics
A couple of issues there.
1. NCAA mandates academic achievement as a requirement of eligibility. Every D 1 school has a massive support system for its athletes to meet the requirement for academic progress. Athletes that put in minimum effort are going to make it through even if the system drags them to graduation.
2. Schools with “Hope” grants are going to see higher failure rates than non “Hope” states because “Hope” put a ton of kids in schools that don’t belong in school as a money maker for the school system. “Hope” changed schools mindset from being an exclusive agent designed to encourage success to more open system with standards built around enticing “Hope” money, not academic success.
3. People hold up the number of applicants not admitted and pretend that is a basis of superiority or exclusivity. In most cases it’s not. Not to pick on UGA but the last class they admitted was 6,200 people. That’s one of the largest freshman classes in Georgia. It’s a 1,000 plus more than were admitted to most folks back up school. UGA has attainable entry standards, a high number of students, “HOPE” and is a name folk’s recognition in a very small number of 4 year institutions in a state with almost 10,000,000 people so a ton of kids apply there. And if you make it through your 1st year at UGA your odds of graduating are in the 90% range.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:03 am to Cobbvol
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NCAA Graduation Success Rates
You can't call it a "success" when looking at UGA. It's literally the worst in the nation.
This speaks volumes about Kirby's program.
Seriously, this should warrant investigation by the NCAA and the SEC. No 'student athletes' at UGA. Only paid players who probably don't even have to attend class. What a shitty school.
Dead last.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:07 am to Smokeyone
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A couple of issues there.
1. NCAA mandates academic achievement as a requirement of eligibility. Every D 1 school has a massive support system for its athletes to meet the requirement for academic progress. Athletes that put in minimum effort are going to make it through even if the system drags them to graduation.
2. Schools with “Hope” grants are going to see higher failure rates than non “Hope” states because “Hope” put a ton of kids in schools that don’t belong in school as a money maker for the school system. “Hope” changed schools mindset from being an exclusive agent designed to encourage success to more open system with standards built around enticing “Hope” money, not academic success.
3. People hold up the number of applicants not admitted and pretend that is a basis of superiority or exclusivity. In most cases it’s not. Not to pick on UGA but the last class they admitted was 6,200 people. That’s one of the largest freshman classes in Georgia. It’s a 1,000 plus more than were admitted to most folks back up school. UGA has attainable entry standards, a high number of students, “HOPE” and is a name folk’s recognition in a very small number of 4 year institutions in a state with almost 10,000,000 people so a ton of kids apply there. And if you make it through your 1st year at UGA your odds of graduating are in the 90% range.
This acrticle discusses graduation rates of the football team. Football scholarship athletes, not Hope grants.
This is a glaring indictment of the program at UGA.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 9:15 am to Moon Pie
They should stop kidding themselves. Drop the academic farce. We all know probably 90% of these student athletes consider college football an NFL audition .
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:05 am to mauser
quote:The discrepancy between UGA and the rest of the nation is a straight up reflection of Kirby's program.
They should stop kidding themselves. Drop the academic farce. We all know probably 90% of these student athletes consider college football an NFL audition .
Lowest in the nation? 41%? That is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:13 am to Tesla
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That’s actually very impressive on the part of Alabama. Tip of the cap to them.
Bama alum here... I'm actually surprised as well. I've heard that Saban really emphasizes succeeding in school so players can succeed in life after school, but didn't realize it was this high. That's great! Roll tide
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:23 am to 49 to nada
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Do you really want a real, non-troll answer? Places like Georgia, Texas, Florida, Michigan and others have high admission standards among publics...and most football players would never be accepted if they didn't have an athletic scholly. Even Arch Manning admits he may not get into Texas if he wasn't an athlete, and it was only half joking. The diploma mills like Cincinnati are much easier to get athletes on a degree program that actually allows them to graduate. Vandy doesn't really lower their standards for athletes, they go there to actually play school.
While the general premise of your thread is correct. It is BS that you call out a place like Cincinnati for "degree programs". Literally half of the Texas team who has declared a major at UTx is in something called "Physical Culture and Sports". The curriculum in that program has classes such as "the History of Sports", "Women in Sports", "Racial aspects of Sports".
Even Stanford has a "jock" major.
Here at OU they stick them in "Multi-disciplinary studies" or "Human Relations".
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:38 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Just like it's a myth that GT has high admissions standards for their athletes and that they don't have an easy diploma track for them.
I don’t think anyone is pretending that students and athletes have the same admission standards outside of the Ivy league schools. Business Management is what most of our athletes major in, at least it’s a degree they can actually have a chance of using after graduation vs. a degree in General Studies or whatever BS a lot of these kids wind up with.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:15 am to GTnerd
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I don’t think anyone is pretending that students and athletes have the same admission standards outside of the Ivy league schools.
A lot of the posters on this site believe it.
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Business Management is what most of our athletes major in, at least it’s a degree they can actually have a chance of using after graduation vs. a degree in General Studies or whatever BS a lot of these kids wind up with.
That’s fair
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