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re: NCAA commissions task force to separate big money boosters from NIL deals
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:25 am to C W
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:25 am to C W
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Texas has won a title in the last 20 years. A&M hasn’t won a title in my lifetime.
Up until a few months ago, Georgia had not won a national title in your lifetime, assuming you are not over 40 (you don't appear to be).
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:28 am to ColoradoAg
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Remember, NCAA already lost this battle at the Supreme Court level.
Wrong. Once again there are no restrictions being played on the students.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:30 am to ouflak
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But that's all with strict agreement with the player's unions. Fundamentally, as long as labor and trade laws are followed, any group can limit their own pay as they see fit. This is the NCAA trying to directly limit someone else's pay, without their agreement. It doesn't matter, as someone incorrectly stated earlier, if they employees. You just can't do that in this country.
Wrong. These rules in no way limit the amount of money a player can make. It only limits schools and boosters from being involved.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:36 am to RollTide1987
From the article:
Thus far, the NCAA has avoided enforcement, perhaps because of the threat of legal challenges. But things are at a boiling point, and leaders feel they have lost control. They are now willing to take a risk they weren’t last summer, when the organization tabled a permanent policy governing NIL after the loss in the Supreme Court-Alston case. A group of athletic directors spent two years drafting the policy to see it abandoned at the last minute. Several officials have expressed regret in the NCAA’s decision to eschew the policy.
Now several conference presidents, school AD's and leaders are part of the Transformation Committee and the NCAA has tasked them with completing an entirely new rulebook by August 2022.
Thus far, the NCAA has avoided enforcement, perhaps because of the threat of legal challenges. But things are at a boiling point, and leaders feel they have lost control. They are now willing to take a risk they weren’t last summer, when the organization tabled a permanent policy governing NIL after the loss in the Supreme Court-Alston case. A group of athletic directors spent two years drafting the policy to see it abandoned at the last minute. Several officials have expressed regret in the NCAA’s decision to eschew the policy.
Now several conference presidents, school AD's and leaders are part of the Transformation Committee and the NCAA has tasked them with completing an entirely new rulebook by August 2022.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:42 am to 3down10
quote:Schools can't be involved in NIL now can they?
Wrong. These rules in no way limit the amount of money a player can make. It only limits schools and boosters from being involved.
And here's a question.... Once a business or company i.e. "Pleasant Hill Nissan" engages in an NIL contract with a student-athlete at a school and pays the athlete for their NIL, are the members of that company then considered "boosters" of that program?
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:55 am to RT1941
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Schools can't be involved in NIL now can they?
And here's a question.... Once a business or company i.e. "Pleasant Hill Nissan" engages in an NIL contract with a student-athlete at a school and pays the athlete for their NIL, are the members of that company then considered "boosters" of that program?
Interesting question.
I was thinking about this last night. Because if you give money to support the program, you are deemed a booster, and you are deemed a booster for life.
My end guess was that because the money is going directly to the players rather than the schools, it wasn't the same. The other thing is that it's not a donation. So for example, Nike gives Alabama and other schools money for wearing their stuff, but they aren't considered boosters since it's not a donation.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:07 pm to 3down10
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Wrong. Once again there are no restrictions being played on the students.
so tell me how this works when there is no restriction on students/athletes.
What you are saying, in essence, is that it is legal for student athletes get paid for NIL, but illegal for anyone "associated" with their school of choice to offer NIL deals?
Surely you have some sort of legal authority or NCAA bylaws on which you are relying.
Because what you are saying is exactly what the United States Supreme Court indicated was a violation of antitrust.
please give us your legal and bylaw analysis.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:09 pm to 3down10
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Interesting question.
I was thinking about this last night. Because if you give money to support the program, you are deemed a booster, and you are deemed a booster for life.
My end guess was that because the money is going directly to the players rather than the schools, it wasn't the same. The other thing is that it's not a donation. So for example, Nike gives Alabama and other schools money for wearing their stuff, but they aren't considered boosters since it's not a donation.
So, in other words, there is no such thing as a booster anymore. The term "booster" is archaic and no longer applies.
In other words, your entire argument is complete bullshite.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:13 pm to KaiserSoze99
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So, in other words, there is no such thing as a booster anymore. The term "booster" is archaic and no longer applies.
In other words, your entire argument is complete bullshite.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
I just told you the distinction. Otherwise Nike would already be seen as a booster.
I don't have to prove anything to you. I'm just saying what the rules are. It's a free country, you can put your head in the sand all you want. The fact A&M fans are up in arms speaks volumes however.
Literally a bunch of bitches crying because you can't outright buy players. You can all go frick yourselves really.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:24 pm to 3down10
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Literally a bunch of bitches crying because you can't outright buy players. You can all go frick yourselves really.
Oh, don't be like that.
The word "booster" cannot be reasonably applied under the new NIL framework. You're taking old rules and applying them to new circumstances.
If I want to pay an Aggy player to do an advertisement for my company, you're telling me that the NCAA will not allow it? That shits all over the spirit of the SC ruling. That fundamentally interferes with a student-athlete's ability profit from his NIL.
I will consider any rules or interpretations thereof coupled with your interpretation of the SC ruling. Otherwise, you have done nothing but spit out a bunch of conjecture. Make your case with something other than you opinion.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:32 pm to 3down10
quote:Indeed, and one I feel the NCAA will not have authority to regulate.
Interesting question.
quote:NIL collectives aren't giving support to a program, they are entering contract agreements completely separate from the school. They are contracting directly with the individual student-athlete.
I was thinking about this last night. Because if you give money to support the program, you are deemed a booster, and you are deemed a booster for life.
quote:It can't be considered the same simply because the school has no involvement.
My end guess was that because the money is going directly to the players rather than the schools, it wasn't the same.
quote:Nike doesn't give money to schools, they contract directly with schools and pay them for using their product.
The other thing is that it's not a donation. So for example, Nike gives Alabama and other schools money for wearing their stuff, but they aren't considered boosters since it's not a donation.
NIL collectives won't be donating to the schools and they won't be paying the schools. IMO, NIL collectives are a separate entities operating separately from the schools and will not be considered "boosters" according to NCAA's definition.
Schools should serve no purpose to an NIL collective other than record keeping for their student-athletes NIL contracts.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:34 pm to KaiserSoze99
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:49 pm to KaiserSoze99
quote:Perhaps I decide to hold a 7 on 7 camp in my home town and I engage in a contract directly with Bryce Young, I agree to pay him for working with the QB's/WR's as well as sit for a photo op for my marketing brochures, etc. We file the fully executed contract agreement through UA's NIL protocols. So what authority does the NCAA have in the mutual contract I have with Bryce?
Oh, don't be like that.
The word "booster" cannot be reasonably applied under the new NIL framework. You're taking old rules and applying them to new circumstances.
If I want to pay an Aggy player to do an advertisement for my company, you're telling me that the NCAA will not allow it? That shits all over the spirit of the SC ruling. That fundamentally interferes with a student-athlete's ability profit from his NIL.
I will consider any rules or interpretations thereof coupled with your interpretation of the SC ruling. Otherwise, you have done nothing but spit out a bunch of conjecture. Make your case with something other than you opinion.
Disclosure: I'm and Alabama graduate, a decades long season ticket holder, I donate annually to the business college AND I currently have a child in graduate school at Alabama.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:52 pm to RT1941
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Perhaps I decide to hold a 7 on 7 camp in my home town and I engage in a contract directly with Bryce Young, I agree to pay him for working with the QB's/WR's as well as sit for a photo op for my marketing brochures, etc. We file the fully executed contract agreement through UA's NIL protocols. So what authority does the NCAA have in the mutual contract I have with Bryce?
Disclosure: I'm and Alabama graduate, a decades long season ticket holder, I donate annually to the business college AND I currently have a child in graduate school at Alabama.
As I understand it, you should be able to do exactly what you describe except that Bryce would not be allowed to wear or promote anything to do with 'bama.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:59 pm to RT1941
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Perhaps I decide to hold a 7 on 7 camp in my home town and I engage in a contract directly with Bryce Young, I agree to pay him for working with the QB's/WR's as well as sit for a photo op for my marketing brochures, etc. We file the fully executed contract agreement through UA's NIL protocols. So what authority does the NCAA have in the mutual contract I have with Bryce?
3and10 would have you believe that the NCAA would have authority to prevent such a contract by giving Alabama the death penalty or other sanctions.
It is entirely contrary to the whole purpose of the Supreme Court's ruling. It frustrates the intent.
There is VERY LITTLE chance that an Aggy would be interested in paying NIL for a fricking longhorn or any other non-Aggy athlete. That "non-booster" requirement means the SC ruling did absolutely NOTHING.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:00 pm to Buster83
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Perhaps I decide to hold a 7 on 7 camp in my home town and I engage in a contract directly with Bryce Young, I agree to pay him for working with the QB's/WR's as well as sit for a photo op for my marketing brochures, etc. We file the fully executed contract agreement through UA's NIL protocols. So what authority does the NCAA have in the mutual contract I have with Bryce?
Disclosure: I'm and Alabama graduate, a decades long season ticket holder, I donate annually to the business college AND I currently have a child in graduate school at Alabama.
quote:Exactly MY understanding of this as well.
As I understand it, you should be able to do exactly what you describe except that Bryce would not be allowed to wear or promote anything to do with 'bama.
In my scenario Bryce would be wearing my hometown colors (not script A's or crimson in sight) with my Camp logo (retailing for $15 at souvenir tent) while striking a Heisman pose on the brochure.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:24 pm to KaiserSoze99
It wouldn’t surprise me at all. I can see A&M making it a tradition and doing it on the 50 between quarters.
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:35 pm to SaturdayNAthens
I love it when you talk dirty.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:03 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Oh, don't be like that.
The word "booster" cannot be reasonably applied under the new NIL framework. You're taking old rules and applying them to new circumstances.
Ok, then why is Nike not already considered a booster for all the schools they pay?
Because there is an obvious difference in being a donator of the school and doing business with the school.
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If I want to pay an Aggy player to do an advertisement for my company, you're telling me that the NCAA will not allow it? That shits all over the spirit of the SC ruling. That fundamentally interferes with a student-athlete's ability profit from his NIL.
That's right, you are not allowed to do that. The supreme court ruling had NOTHING to do with what you are allowed to do. It only said that the players are allowed to earn NIL deals. If you are not a player, then the supreme court ruling did not apply to you.
Because legally there is nothing that would prevent you from doing an NIL deal. Your restriction is applied by Texas A&M, and A&M will voluntarily be subject to penalties for your actions. At which point, you would be banned from all future A&M events etc.
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I will consider any rules or interpretations thereof coupled with your interpretation of the SC ruling. Otherwise, you have done nothing but spit out a bunch of conjecture. Make your case with something other than you opinion.
In the end, you're just upset because you want people to be able to use the NIL to buy players and you want to believe it's ok. Cry more.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:07 pm to KaiserSoze99
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There is VERY LITTLE chance that an Aggy would be interested in paying NIL for a fricking longhorn or any other non-Aggy athlete. That "non-booster" requirement means the SC ruling did absolutely NOTHING.
Wrong, Bryce Young earned over $1 million last year on legitimate non booster NIL deals.
That LSU girl with all the followers on whatever platform it was is now earning tons of money with legitimate non booster NIL deals.
And plenty of other cases that are working as intended.
For you to claim that the supreme courts intent was to allow loopholes and to turn college sports into a pay to play platform is ridiculous.
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