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re: Nate Oats and Eric Musselman on the first Indiana hot board to replace Archie Miller
Posted on 3/16/21 at 6:42 pm to KellerChrystFan
Posted on 3/16/21 at 6:42 pm to KellerChrystFan
It depends on the fan support with these schools.
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 6:46 pm to dchog
Fan support? Auburn, Alabama and Florida aren’t exactly known for their great basketball fans.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 6:51 pm to KellerChrystFan
Basketball is purely about the coach. It’s not hard to recruit 7-8 solid players over 5 years and let’s not pretend IU can only pick up white boys from some cornfields down the road.
And just an FYI - Indiana basketball produces more HS talent than Alabama and it’s not even close. And Ohio and Illinois right next door - which are also talent rich states for basketball.
And just an FYI - Indiana basketball produces more HS talent than Alabama and it’s not even close. And Ohio and Illinois right next door - which are also talent rich states for basketball.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 7:21 pm to V Bainbridge
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If Muss makes a deep run we will lock him down. If he doesn't I could see Hunter letting another overpay him. If he can't get to the sweet 16 with this group why would we want to keep him?
Not sure why you got down voted so hard but I agree. If we don’t make the sweet 16 then we’d be giving Muss a huge raise for nothing. We’ve had plenty of coaches that can lose in the first weekend.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 7:30 pm to mistaken4193
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Uh...because the NCAAt is a crapshoot and getting upset in a early round is no shame and shouldn’t be used as an indictment of a coach
That’s horse shite. Success in college basketball is based on how you do in the tournament. The entire regular season is just a precursor to the tourney and every game is meaningful because it can affect your seeding in the tournament.
That’s all there is, no one gives a shite if you win a bunch of games in the regular season and then lose your first game. No one is hanging a banner for a first round exit.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 7:38 pm to Stonehog
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Not sure why you got down voted
It's how our fans are. We have no setting between FIRE THAT MOFO and GIVE HIM ALL THE MONIES!!!
You know that though
Posted on 3/16/21 at 7:58 pm to V Bainbridge
You seem upset. Perhaps you should relax on the sports message board.
I recognized the contracts and overpaying precedents set. I also pointed out relative market desperation levels of coaching contracts in basketball and football.
If you think that is what I was doing or that it was calling for a lifetime contract, perhaps read the first two sentences in this post again. It was an anecdotal illustration you can likely extrapolate as to why we're not far and above any sort of bidding market.
I recognized the contracts and overpaying precedents set. I also pointed out relative market desperation levels of coaching contracts in basketball and football.
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Don't project your beaten down dog syndrome on me.
If you think that is what I was doing or that it was calling for a lifetime contract, perhaps read the first two sentences in this post again. It was an anecdotal illustration you can likely extrapolate as to why we're not far and above any sort of bidding market.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:03 pm to Stonehog
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That’s all there is, no one gives a shite if you win a bunch of games in the regular season and then lose your first game. No one is hanging a banner for a first round exit.
Obviously I’d be super pissed if we lost the first game and I’d be disappointed if we didn’t make the sweet 16, but this season has been awesome and a flameout in the tournament isn’t going to kill that.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:07 pm to V Bainbridge
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If he can't get to the sweet 16 with this group why would we want to keep him?
Cause he's a really good coach in case you haven't noticed.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:13 pm to Ssubba
quote:Lol
Neither coach leaves their current gig.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:17 pm to BennyAndTheInkJets
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You seem upset. Perhaps you should relax on the sports message board.
Meh. Had a bunch of shitty takes hurled at me in this thread and I came off a little harsh in the response to you. Nothing nefarious intended.
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why we're not far and above any sort of bidding market.
I disagree. I think the desperate mentality has made us think we aren't but we are. This is an equally attractive job to Indiana if not more since we will likely have lower expectations with equal if not better resources and fan support.
This isn't football. We are a MUCH more attractive basketball job. One of the best in the country. Even with the SEC getting a little better we are still in one of the weaker power conferences so the path to a good season isn't too hard and you have everything you need to be successful.
We can get a good coach without having to grasp at one who hasn't proven they can get it done.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:17 pm to Bryant91092
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Obviously I’d be super pissed if we lost the first game and I’d be disappointed if we didn’t make the sweet 16, but this season has been awesome and a flameout in the tournament isn’t going to kill that.
It will absolutely kill that. If you guys don’t at least make the sweet 16, the season will forever be remembered as a failure. It will go down as a good team that didn’t win anything, even though you won the conference regular season and tournament. No one cares about that shite, it’s all about how you do in the tourney.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:36 pm to Stonehog
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It will absolutely kill that. If you guys don’t at least make the sweet 16, the season will forever be remembered as a failure. It will go down as a good team that didn’t win anything, even though you won the conference regular season and tournament. No one cares about that shite, it’s all about how you do in the tourney.
That may be how you and everyone else remembers it, but that is definitely not how I will remember this season if we get bounced in the second round. Too many great accomplishments for the program this season to consider it a complete failure.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:04 pm to Chadaristic
I mean, seriously...Alabama basically hasn’t been a very relevant basketball program for nearly a decade. At best they were just hoping to take part in the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament. Alabama hasn’t been a contender type program since the mid-aughts.
I really hope they beat Iona because frick Pitino’s slimy arse. Would be preferable that they get to the 2nd weekend at minimum if not the regional final but if they do not then it will not make this year less of a success. The program is in good shape and that hasn’t been the case since Ron Steele was the starting point guard.
I really hope they beat Iona because frick Pitino’s slimy arse. Would be preferable that they get to the 2nd weekend at minimum if not the regional final but if they do not then it will not make this year less of a success. The program is in good shape and that hasn’t been the case since Ron Steele was the starting point guard.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:08 pm to Stonehog
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It will absolutely kill that. If you guys don’t at least make the sweet 16, the season will forever be remembered as a failure. It will go down as a good team that didn’t win anything, even though you won the conference regular season and tournament. No one cares about that shite, it’s all about how you do in the tourney.
Nah, it wouldn't. Not in year 2.
We have those in expectations in football. We're a pretty forgiving fanbase in basketball. The product on the floor is fantastic. After 20 years of mostly gag worthy product, even from good teams, we're just happy to know this program is where it is right now. A 2nd round loss to UConn ain't changing that.
It'd be dissapointing, but every single one of us would still be happy with the season and excited as hell for next year.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:10 pm to Diego Ricardo
I'll check back and see if Bama fans have the same feeling of success if UCONN knocks you off and LSU makes it to the second weekend by beating an undermanned Michigan team.
Postseason play is everything. I know we like to feel good about our coaches. Conference titles are nice. Tournament titles are nice. NCAA tournament wins are the measurement. Period.
Not trying to troll here. Alabama and Ark are both riding high right now after very good seasons and I know people don't want to think that it pretty much could mean jack shite in a week but thats how it is.
Postseason play is everything. I know we like to feel good about our coaches. Conference titles are nice. Tournament titles are nice. NCAA tournament wins are the measurement. Period.
Not trying to troll here. Alabama and Ark are both riding high right now after very good seasons and I know people don't want to think that it pretty much could mean jack shite in a week but thats how it is.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:12 pm to V Bainbridge
You guys can keep saying that and it's cool you feel that way. We would be dissapointed but still very happy with this season and our situation.
Same as if you won the Citrus Bowl and 10 games next year. You'd be ecstatic. We did that and people were wondering if it was the end of Saban. Expectations define happiness.
Same as if you won the Citrus Bowl and 10 games next year. You'd be ecstatic. We did that and people were wondering if it was the end of Saban. Expectations define happiness.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:21 pm to V Bainbridge
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and LSU makes it to the second weekend
This has nothing to do with how I feel about the season Alabama has put together so far.
Good teams lose early in the NCAAT every year, that doesn't mean that they weren't good teams with the program heading in the right direction.
Other than losing to Iona, this season simply can't end as a failure as far as I am concerened.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:22 pm to Chadaristic
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Other than losing to Iona, this season simply can't end as a failure as far as I am concerened.
Same - now, if this is year 4 of Oats and we've been losing early every year and can't seem to get out of the first weekend?
Yeah, that's a problem.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Same as if you won the Citrus Bowl and 10 games next year. You'd be ecstatic. We did that and people were wondering if it was the end of Saban. Expectations define happiness.
This is the difference in views. You are viewing it through the eye of football success. We are seeing it through CBB success. It's a false comparison. They aren't the same. Conference titles are a much bigger deal in football but postseason play pretty much means nothing unless you are one of the 4 in the playoffs.
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