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re: Mullen tells the fans stars don't matter
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:36 am to UFMatt
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:36 am to UFMatt
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Mullen doesn't last at Florida it won't because he didn't recruit enough 5 stars, it will be because he didn't win enough football games.
There is correlation between wins and talent.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:37 am to Commander Data
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great arse coach
So that's Saban's secret for a cohesive team.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
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But the data is absolutely clear - teams that recruit below about #10 have not won national titles in the last 15-20 years. Oregon was the closest to doing it.
You sure about that?
Clemson
Year | 247 Comp. Rank
2012 - 20
2013 - 15
2014 - 16
2015 - 9
2016 - 11
2017 - 16
2018 - 7
When we won our national championship we had only one class that finished better than 10, and our average was closer to 12/13.
What helped us was that we had an amazing talent in Deshaun Watson. We mostly hit on our top guys while bringing in under the radar three stars that turned into NFL guys like Grady Jarett, Vic Beasley, TJ Green, Jordan Leggett. We also signed some smaller classes, and didn't process guys, so that dinged our overall ranking.
In a sense the rankings don't matter like Mullen said, but recruiting the right fit and talented players is very important. The recruiting services are not coaches. They are mostly using measurables and production as well as favoring kids who do the camp circuit or go to big schools in football hotbeds.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:49 am to CivilTiger83
You don’t risk a lot of injuries in the ACC though. We talking grown-man football here.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:58 am to MaroonNation
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You don’t risk a lot of injuries in the ACC though. We talking grown-man football here.
Compare Clemson's and USCs strength of schedule the past couple of years (excluding playoffs). We crushed Ohio State in the playoffs. We play plenty of grown man football.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:04 pm to TJGator1215
Enjoy the recruiting headaches, Gators. And the country club he surrounds himself with which are the laziest recruiters you could imagine.
Dan's a good coach and will win games at Florida. But he won't recruit well enough to take UF to where they think they deserve to be.
Dan's a good coach and will win games at Florida. But he won't recruit well enough to take UF to where they think they deserve to be.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:06 pm to CivilTiger83
Is Ohio State in the ACC. My point is it’s easier to get by with less depth when you conference is loaded with teams like Wake Forest, Duke and North Carolina.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:11 pm to djsdawg
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There is correlation between wins and talent.
True, you have to have some talent, but developing players and overall good coaching wins games also.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:12 pm to TJGator1215
Good coaches get noticed by building teams with little to no talent. Freeze beat Saban twice with just a few big players and mostly 2 and 3*s despite Saban only having a few 2 and 3*s on his roster. It's all about a coaches ability to get the most out every player.
Of course coaches like Saban load their team with 5*s and rely on the fact there isn't many coaches that can coach up average talent enough to beat a team with top players just threw out there. Those type coach never continously succeed unless they have that talent advantage.
Mullen went to a weaker division and is almost guaranteed more talent just from the recruits that want to go to Florida than he ever had at MSU.
Of course coaches like Saban load their team with 5*s and rely on the fact there isn't many coaches that can coach up average talent enough to beat a team with top players just threw out there. Those type coach never continously succeed unless they have that talent advantage.
Mullen went to a weaker division and is almost guaranteed more talent just from the recruits that want to go to Florida than he ever had at MSU.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:14 pm to coozie
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And the country club he surrounds himself with which are the laziest recruiters you could imagine.
I would not call Grantham a great recruiter. Far from it.
But he recruits OLB great. Just being honest.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:17 pm to UFMatt
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True, you have to have some talent, but developing players and overall good coaching wins games also.
Developing players takes time. It works out when a team has a bunch of upperclassmen who have been in the program for a while (like State does this year). But when he graduates a large senior class, or he has some key injuries, his teams fall off drastically. Depth becomes a serious issue because second and third teamers are still "developing".
The biggest impact poor recruiting has is in depth, and depth in a lot of ways is the most important ingredient for sustained success in the SEC.
Mullen will have some great years and some mediocre years. The inconsistency will be wildly frustrating. And it will all be directly attributable to his recruiting.
You should listen to State fans on this. We have experience on the subject.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:23 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Yeah like Josh Dobbs.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:24 pm to CivilTiger83
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We crushed Ohio State in the playoffs.
One game. And it was a playoff game. You had to reach all the way to the playoffs to find one legitimate opponent.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:26 pm to UFMatt
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you have to have some talent, but developing players and overall good coaching wins games also.
If coaching and development are equal, talent is the tiebreaker.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:29 pm to MaroonNation
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Is Ohio State in the ACC. My point is it’s easier to get by with less depth when you conference is loaded with teams like Wake Forest, Duke and North Carolina.
My point was that when we play the "big boys" we typically have held our own.
Clemson's regular season strength of schedule last year was 5th in the country. Year before it was 7th. Before that it was 20th.
Look at the facts before making overhyped claims. Is the SEC West the toughest division in football?... Usually. The SEC East division has been terrible the past five years, and worse than the ACC Atlantic.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:32 pm to CivilTiger83
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My point was that when we play the "big boys" we typically have held our own.
His point is that it's easier to hold your own when you play the "big boys" because your team is in tact due to the less challenging conference slate.
When Alabama gets there, they have survived a gauntlet, and usually have sustained some significant injuries along the way, like last year.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:36 pm to TJGator1215
Our coach is retarded but if he was recruiting and acting like the hunchback fans would have already revolted via twitter.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:39 pm to Buster180
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Our coach is retarded but if he was recruiting and acting like the hunchback fans would have already revolted via twitter
Lies y’all would be eating it up until it was obvious to everyone he’s a failure. Just like you guys did with Butch.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:44 pm to Rabern57
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Freeze beat Saban twice with just a few big players and mostly 2 and 3*s despite Saban only having a few 2 and 3*s on his roster.
Freeze beat Saban twice because that was the only game they planned for for months. Even in weeks where they played someone else they were preparing for the Bama game. Freeze’s mantra was always to throw everything they had all season at beating Bama. He didn’t do it with superior coaching or he wouldn’t have lost to fricking Memphis the very next week.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:46 pm to CivilTiger83
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When we won our national championship we had only one class that finished better than 10, and our average was closer to 12/13.
Which is about #10. If I remember correctly Clemson was the highest by far.
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In a sense the rankings don't matter like Mullen said, but recruiting the right fit and talented players is very important. The recruiting services are not coaches. They are mostly using measurables and production as well as favoring kids who do the camp circuit or go to big schools in football hotbeds.
Again, that's true and all well and good, but the teams that win titles are the ones that both sign can't miss prospects and develop lower rated prospects. The facts are just the facts. And, Clemson won that title in 2016 with an all world QB who was a can't miss prospect who turned out even better than the rosy predictions he carried from HS.
Blue Chip Ratio - SB Nation
2012 Alabama - 71%
2013 Florida State - 53%
2014 Ohio State - 68%
2015 Alabama - 77%
2016 Clemson - 52%
2017 Alabama - 80%
Teams with a great, game changing QB have a chance to win with a lower ratio (Cam Newton 2010, Deshaun Watson 2016) but even they need to also have enough NFL guys around them.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 12:52 pm
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