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re: Mt. Rushmore of SEC head coaches- since the '92 expansion
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:41 pm to TigerintheNO
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:41 pm to TigerintheNO
Urban is the third. He won two national titles in three years.
The fourth one is a take your pick. Stallings, Fulmer, Miles, Chizik and Orgeron all won national championships. I would lean toward Stallings or Fulmer. Miles only won the one national championship and SEC title and same for Orgeron. And Chizik's tenure was short and done once Newton left. He didn't do much before or after Newton's one year.
I don't know why you have a photo of Curry and Dye together considering Dye's last year was 1992. And Curry went to one bowl in seven seasons at Kentucky once he left Alabama after the '89 season. Neither one comes close if this is a post-'92 discussion.
The fourth one is a take your pick. Stallings, Fulmer, Miles, Chizik and Orgeron all won national championships. I would lean toward Stallings or Fulmer. Miles only won the one national championship and SEC title and same for Orgeron. And Chizik's tenure was short and done once Newton left. He didn't do much before or after Newton's one year.
I don't know why you have a photo of Curry and Dye together considering Dye's last year was 1992. And Curry went to one bowl in seven seasons at Kentucky once he left Alabama after the '89 season. Neither one comes close if this is a post-'92 discussion.
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Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:44 pm to TigerintheNO
Fulmer can be the base of the mountain.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:47 pm to 3down10
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CUM didn't end his career in the SEC though.
He probably ended Fulmer's career though. 4-0 and the last 2 were butt whippings.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:59 pm to 3down10
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CUM didn't end his career in the SEC though. He is more of a Big10 product at this point, although likely to be a Pac12 product in the near future.
If he went on to the NFL it would be 1 thing, but bailing for fake reasons just so you can end up in an easier situation isn't to be celebrated IMO.
None of that has to do with the success he had in the SEC. No way 4 other coaches have done more in the SEC in football since 1992.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 1:59 pm to BamaGradinTn
Curry was such a fine coach that a 1-7 UK football team upon hearing that he got fired were so happy they beat Georgia, Mississippi State and Vandy in a a row. I worked with one of the ex-players on that team and he said the coaches finally left them alone and they didn't have to listen to Curry's motivational speeches any more. The team relaxed and played football for the first time that season. He kept changing O.C.'s like you change underwear. The recruiting fit the former system. They went from a pro set to an I-bone with the wrong players. The moron had Tim Couch running an option. Just a total mismatch of talent and scheme. Curry was a good guy, just a bad coach. He was straight as an arrow and had he hired a Hal Mumme type as his OC would have done well. He'd have kept Mumme straight and Mumme would show him what an offense looked like. Bama fans knew a dog when they had one. It took us a while to figure it out.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:33 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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If we’re discounting Urban, then it’s easily Fulmer and Les imo
Stallings > Les.
I could probably write a long article about the 92 season and what it did for college football in terms of the SEC leading the way for the future. 1st SECCG, then Alabama goes on to kick the ever living shite out of Miami in the NCG while they were supposed to be the ones getting blown out. Starting the trend of the SECCG being more difficult than the post season opponent.
When was the last time you saw a coach with enough balls to put 11 guys on the line against a Heisman winning QB?
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 2:38 pm to theGarnetWay
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None of that has to do with the success he had in the SEC. No way 4 other coaches have done more in the SEC in football since 1992.
He was a flybynight coach who only found success using methods that crippled the team he left for the future.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 4:16 pm to MoarKilometers
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or whomever coaches Arkansas running.
You are thinking of McDonnell and I wouldn't want him on this list if I was a fan of a program other than Arkansas. He had 12 indoor track titles. In a row. His teams won 40 National Championships.
Now... if we are going only football... Saban, Meyer, Miles, and then a disagreement between Spurrier and Coach O. I'd take Coach O in light of how Spurrier hung USC out to dry but Spurrier was a magnificent coach.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 5:43 pm to wadewilson
Auburn's equestrian coach
Posted on 6/2/20 at 5:50 pm to Murph4HOF
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I realize Pat Dye is fresh on everyone's mind, but he was exactly a .500 coach in 1992, the only year he coached in the divisional era.
Correct. I was going to say the same thing.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:37 am to Murph4HOF
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realize Pat Dye is fresh on everyone's mind, but he was exactly a .500 coach in 1992, the only year he coached in the divisional era
Sure but Auburn probably had the most difficult SEC schedule in his era.They played UF,UT,UGA and Bama every year.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:51 am to skrayper
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Urban if he hadn't shite himself at the idea of playing Saban every year.
I don't quite get this accusation that keeps popping up. He's 2–2 against Saban. I think he was more scared of the thug unit culture that had permeated Florida under his watch and gotten out of hand and needed an excuse to get out of town and start over. He quit the same year he got suspended and had to deal with the Zach Smith domestic abuse stuff at Ohio State, too. He runs a dirty program and then gets out of Dodge when he has to deal with the aftermath.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:06 am to VagueMessage
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I think he was more scared of the thug unit culture that had permeated Florida under his watch and gotten out of hand and needed an excuse to get out of town
Yep and he saw the writing on the wall.Muschamp inherited a shite sandwich and had to restore some integrity back in the program.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:18 am to TigerintheNO
Saban
Spurrier
Meyer
Stallings
Spurrier
Meyer
Stallings
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:37 am to TigerintheNO
2 national championship minimum to be on the wall. The SEC is so successful, I don't think 1 MNC is enough.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:41 am to AUDevil
Saban
Spurrier
Urban
Les Miles
Miles has a better win % than Fulmer, same # of SEC titles, same # of National Titles, and one more National Title appearance.
Stallings had a vacated season and didn't have the tenure of Les (post expansion).
Spurrier
Urban
Les Miles
Miles has a better win % than Fulmer, same # of SEC titles, same # of National Titles, and one more National Title appearance.
Stallings had a vacated season and didn't have the tenure of Les (post expansion).
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:50 am to TigerintheNO
I'd give the nod to Stallings over all the other 1 NC coaches because it was Stallings that showed the two division, championship game format could still produce a NC for the conference. Everybody forgets that - a lot of people REALLY didn't want the CCG because they thought the extra game meant nobody would win a NC again, and CGS goes out and proves them wrong in the first year. Dude led the way for the modern SEC and deserves credit for that
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:56 am to lsufball19
I'll say Miles over Fulmer for being in the same division as Saban.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:56 am to TheCaterpillar
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Stallings had a vacated season and didn't have the tenure of Les (post expansion).
Stallings had an undefeated season and two one-loss seasons. He also had a better win percentage (.810 vs. .770) when you factor in games won on the field.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:59 am to TheCaterpillar
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Miles has a better win % than Fulmer, same # of SEC titles, same # of National Titles, and one more National Title appearance.
Stallings had a vacated season and didn't have the tenure of Les (post expansion).
Les Miles doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the top4 coaches.
He only won in a program someone else built, and then got lucky as frick to get a NC after having 2 losses on the year.
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