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re: More likely to bust: Justin Fields or Mac Jones?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:26 am to Windy City
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:26 am to Windy City
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When did he have a chance to be clutch? The Bama recruiting machine rolled over literally everyone this year.
Constantly answered Ole Miss, who never gave up.
Put the nail in the coffin against Florida when they were starting to put pressure on.
Just because he wrecked A&M doesn't mean that at least some teams didn't put up a fight.
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:34 am to skrayper
2nd half of the national championship he had gimpy Waddle no Smith and pretty much the second string WR corps. Also post season didn't have Landon Dickerson. He still drove the ball down the field to put the nail in the coffin of Ohio State.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 10:48 am to Ethan89
I see a lot of morons in here blinded by their Bama hate.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 10:55 am to DickforTide
Fields has some upside, kind of like the next Lamar Jackson. But he is a project. Kid has all the physical tools, but simply may not have the mental makeup for QB1 in the NFL.
Jones has the mental makeup, but some are very rightfully concerned that he only played one year in college and really never had to struggle at any point. I honestly think there aren't any sure things in this draft at QB after Lawrence and Wilson. But Jones could be a "solid" pick with the right team around him
Jones has the mental makeup, but some are very rightfully concerned that he only played one year in college and really never had to struggle at any point. I honestly think there aren't any sure things in this draft at QB after Lawrence and Wilson. But Jones could be a "solid" pick with the right team around him
Posted on 4/27/21 at 10:55 am to Eli Goldfinger
Jones can hold for FGs at least.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:06 am to DickforTide
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DickforTide
Ok so tell me where this is blinded by hate because this seems to be the consensus:
Positive: good game manager, very accurate with the short to intermediate throws, solid mechanics
Negative: only played 1 year, not enough tape to determine if his stats were him or a product of superior talent, average arm, lacks mobility, not enough tape of him under adversity, lower risk but lower upside than other prospects.
Does that seem a fair assessment? I believe so. So based on that do you use a 1st round pick on him or someone with fixable footwork but a better arm and more mobility?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:08 am to ColoradoAg
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QB after Lawrence
I'm honestly not sold on Lawrence either. He's got a lot of upside, but it seems as if he hasn't gotten better over the years. He's super hot/cold - his last 4 games of the season he had 7 TDs to 3 INT, and only managed over 10 ypa once. Yes, he managed over 400 yards against Ohio State, but had to throw it 48 times to reach that.
People talk about how easy Jones had it, but never mention that Lawrence played 3 ranked teams during the regular season over 3 years of playing QB. If Jones was only playing on Varisty difficulty, then Lawrence in the ACC was playing on JV.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:08 am to skrayper
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You sound like the kind of person who thinks he does well on a test, then is shocked when he gets it back and sees he failed.
K. The point still stands.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:13 am to skrayper
quote:This is a good point. However, Lawrence has the measurables to help bridge that gap. He's a great fit for Urban Meyer, so I could see him being successful. Poor Wilson though. Dude is going to the Jets, so his career is over before it starts
I'm honestly not sold on Lawrence either.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:13 am to Smokeyone
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Positive: good game manager, very accurate with the short to intermediate throws, solid mechanics
Negative: only played 1 year, not enough tape to determine if his stats were him or a product of superior talent, average arm, lacks mobility, not enough tape of him under adversity, lower risk but lower upside than other prospects.
Does that seem a fair assessment?
Not really, no.
He's thrown over 550 passes over his career. That should be enough tape to determine if he knows how to play or not.
Superior talent is great, but the difference between putting the ball in stride vs making the WR stop to catch it is the difference between a good QB and a great one. Great WRs don't get absurd numbers if they constantly stop to catch the ball.
His mobility is fine in the pocket. No, he's not going to scramble or run designed plays to get 100 yards rushing a game.
As far as adversity... did Lawrence? Did Fields? Both played on teams that drastically out-talented the rest of their teams in their conferences. Honestly, Clemson has a greater talent advantage in the ACC than Alabama has in the SEC (while Alabama has had more overall talent than Clemson, they are also typically going against over top5-10 teams in talent, while Clemson never faces anyone in the top 10 (and maybe one top 15) a season before the playoffs.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:13 am to Smokeyone
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He was an outstanding fit for Bama and was a very good College QB. He had the poise and mindset to lead a team that was 1-2 levels of talent ahead of 99% of the teams they could play and he famously just didn’t make mistakes. Solid coaching, great talent around him, a very good scheme made him a household name. I just don’t see him benefiting from that in the NFL. I just don’t see what he brings to the table as a transferable skill set in the NFL.
Yup. He's Jake Fromm with better surrounding talent, coaching, and play design.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:14 am to coachcrisp
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Jones has a totally superior football intellect to Fields.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:16 am to skrayper
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but the difference between putting the ball in stride vs making the WR stop to catch it is the difference between a good QB and a great one.
Much easier to do when the WR has 3+ yards of separation. Won't be like that all the time in the NFL.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:17 am to dhuck20
Read the scouting reports if you don't believe what you've already seen. 
Russell Wilson also has a superior football intellect, so..
Russell Wilson also has a superior football intellect, so..
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:20 am to so_comfort
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Much easier to do when the WR has 3+ yards of separation. Won't be like that all the time in the NFL.
You think every throw he made was with 3 yards of separation?
Wow.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:30 am to coachcrisp
quote:It's a joke man.
Read the scouting reports if you don't believe what you've already seen.
Russell Wilson also has a superior football intellect, so..
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:32 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Fields bc he is OSU QB and they have bad track record but so do Alabama QBs ... ill say 60% Fields 40% Jones
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:34 am to skrayper
Oh my bad so him and Jones both suck on the road.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:35 am to VABuckeye
Rugby is rough but it is not the biggest, strongest people on earth doing it. My family is British and Australian so I see rugby and ARFB all the time.
Cam Newton did not have epilepsy....
I think continuing to play football is stupid.
Cam Newton did not have epilepsy....
I think continuing to play football is stupid.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:54 am to Ted2010
Ted.... is that table salt or pink Himalayan salt o just your vagina salt?
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