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re: More likely to bust: Justin Fields or Mac Jones?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:56 am to redfish99
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:56 am to redfish99
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Jones easily. He’s a stiff unathletic statue.
Doubt he'll be asked to be the next Patrick Mahomes... Also, how's that mobile QB With a shitty offensive line named Joe Burrow doing these days?
Mac is super intelligent, tough, accurate, can make all of the throws and has shown that he is willing to learn, be patient, and make the most of his opportunity when called... IMO the Bama offense was even more dangerous and explosive with him at the helm... What he MIGHT lack in natural arm talent or any other attributes, that talking heads rag on him about, he more than makes up for it with his IQ, deadly release and his mind... Phillip Rivers was about as mobile as Terence Cody yet he would SHRED defenses...
Mac might not be the next Time Brady but, given the right system, he will be damn good...
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 12:02 pm to dhuck20
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It's a joke man.
With all the racism accusations being slung around in the media, I guess it's got my vagina a little sensitive..
Posted on 4/27/21 at 12:18 pm to skrayper
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He's thrown over 550 passes over his career.
400 plus we’re last year. So very limited tape. 17 games total.
Playing pitch and catch with guys 1-2 skill levels ahead of 95% of the guys you face is an advantage. Something he will not see in the NFL
The NFL just doesn’t like non mobile QBs anymore. And stepping in or around in a pocket is great but if dude can’t run away from pressure he will stay injured.
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As far as adversity... did Lawrence? Did Fields?
Fields sat through a shot show at UGA, dealt with the stupidity of the big 10sish handling of Covid, came back from injury in the playoffs. Lawrence had 3 years of player turnover, seeing key pieces leave and maintained his run. So yes, I would say both have been tested.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 12:50 pm to Eli Goldfinger
History says that both will be busts in the NFL.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 1:35 pm to so_comfort
I guess you missed the two 50+ on the money bombs for TDs against UGA last year.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 2:24 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Here's a link to an article that is NOT particularly flattering towards Mac Jones.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2021/futures-alabama-qb-mac-jones
I am personally a fan but NFL teams often drafts with wildly different strategies in mind. Some teams tend to draft towards the best remaining prospect on the board. Others draft to fit specific needs. Some teams like to draft for maximized numbers and volume. Others will commit their franchise based on potential alone; it all depends on the team. I have seen some mock drafts with Mac Jones going 3rd overall, and one that said he was solidly in the middle of the 2nd round.
The link above lays out the author's theories on Mac's draft placement - but the resulting comment thread REALLY dives deep, both complementary and not. The discussion is excellent either way and I learned more than a couple of things by reading.
Personally, I would LIKE to see Mac picked as the fourth or fifth QB near the end of the first round. The kid IMHO has a good mindset and attitude, but needs to correct some minor flaws (footwork, etc). I would rather see him go to a team where he can have at least a year to get acclimated to the NFL instead of being thrown to the wolves immediately. I doubt he'll ever match the overall performance metrics that he had in college but I can maybe see him being a Philip Rivers type of QB.
More athletic QB's may have a higher ceiling but I think that attitude and mindset goes a long way in the NFL. And while we have seen lots of games, tape and analysis, the one thing we DON'T have is the interview and testing results by the teams. I would love to see an actual team's player analysis for Mac Jones (or a number of players, actually!). We don't know much in these areas but by the minimal accounts that we do have, Mac Jones has done well in those areas.
Whoever comes in this fall at Bama as his replacement has huge shoes to fill. JMHO.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2021/futures-alabama-qb-mac-jones
I am personally a fan but NFL teams often drafts with wildly different strategies in mind. Some teams tend to draft towards the best remaining prospect on the board. Others draft to fit specific needs. Some teams like to draft for maximized numbers and volume. Others will commit their franchise based on potential alone; it all depends on the team. I have seen some mock drafts with Mac Jones going 3rd overall, and one that said he was solidly in the middle of the 2nd round.
The link above lays out the author's theories on Mac's draft placement - but the resulting comment thread REALLY dives deep, both complementary and not. The discussion is excellent either way and I learned more than a couple of things by reading.
Personally, I would LIKE to see Mac picked as the fourth or fifth QB near the end of the first round. The kid IMHO has a good mindset and attitude, but needs to correct some minor flaws (footwork, etc). I would rather see him go to a team where he can have at least a year to get acclimated to the NFL instead of being thrown to the wolves immediately. I doubt he'll ever match the overall performance metrics that he had in college but I can maybe see him being a Philip Rivers type of QB.
More athletic QB's may have a higher ceiling but I think that attitude and mindset goes a long way in the NFL. And while we have seen lots of games, tape and analysis, the one thing we DON'T have is the interview and testing results by the teams. I would love to see an actual team's player analysis for Mac Jones (or a number of players, actually!). We don't know much in these areas but by the minimal accounts that we do have, Mac Jones has done well in those areas.
Whoever comes in this fall at Bama as his replacement has huge shoes to fill. JMHO.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 2:44 pm to coachcrisp
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Jones has a totally superior football intellect to Fields. The only advantage Fields has is his ability to bring it down and run. The smart QB will come out on top 90% of the time.
Nah,....in today's NFL, athletcism is extremely important at the QB position. Teams aren't looking for the next Tom Brady or Petyon Manning. They're looking for the next Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Josh Allen or Deshaun Watson.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:06 pm to Smokeyone
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Lawrence had 3 years of player turnover, seeing key pieces leave and maintained his run.
Considering the talent differential, that’s like playing backyard basketball with Jordan on your team, then when he has to go home for dinner Barkley steps in... and when he leaves to pick up his girlfriend LeBron James taps in for you, while the other team is a bunch of fat kids from down the street.
I’m sure he had a tough go of it :/
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:09 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Mac Jones
No question as to his intangibles, if he joins a horrible squad, he has no chance
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Justin Fields
Slightly overrated his entire college career, great ability but not transcendent, what are reviews on his commitment to the game, leadership, football IQ, etc? Fields appears as if he has a very low floor
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:15 pm to skrayper
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You sound like the kind of person who thinks he does well on a test, then is shocked when he gets it back and sees he failed.
Gotta love the objectivity of Bama fans
Mac's strengths are his intangibles and footwork as a pocket passer and he achieved as much as one can achieve when surrounded by an elite supporting cast and coached by an elite offensive coordinator
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:20 pm to LSU82BILL
Is that why Brady, the most statue of all statue QBs won the Superbowl and beat the trendiest modern qb in the game? In his first year with a new team?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:27 pm to skrayper
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Alabama has in the SEC (while Alabama has had more overall talent than Clemson, they are also typically going against over top5-10 teams in talent
yes playing 5-5 Ole Miss, 3-7 Tennessee, 4-7 Mississippi State, 5-6 Kentucky, 6-5 Auburn, 5-5 gutted LSU, and 3-7 Arkansas, sounds like a Murderers' Row schedule to me, what kind of sick world do we live in when Mac Jones can't get drafted no. 1 overall after playing such a legendary schedule like this? Surprised he emerged from it alive. Ohhhhh the agony of playing a 5-5 gutted LSU team!! Make Mac king of the world!
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:42 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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yes playing 5-5 Ole Miss, 3-7 Tennessee, 4-7 Mississippi State, 5-6 Kentucky, 6-5 Auburn, 5-5 gutted LSU, and 3-7 Arkansas, sounds like a Murderers' Row schedule to me, what kind of sick world do we live in when Mac Jones can't get drafted no. 1 overall after playing such a legendary schedule like this? Surprised he emerged from it alive. Ohhhhh the agony of playing a 5-5 gutted LSU team!! Make Mac king of the world!
The SEC only played each other. Your argument doesn't really hold any merit when you consider that simple fact.
The SEC went 7-2 in bowl games. The ACC went 0-6. The only two losses for the SEC were a gutted Florida vs a "felt snubbed" Oklahoma, and an unranked Auburn against a top 15 Northwestern team.
I did note that you seem to think I am making an argument for Jones being drafted #1; I am not. I am simply stating that the arguments against Mac Jones regarding competition are more accurately applied to Lawrence.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:42 pm to lewis and herschel
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Is that why Brady, the most statue of all statue QBs won the Superbowl and beat the trendiest modern qb in the game? In his first year with a new team?
Brady is the GOAT. But you don't think the NFL game is evolving away from the prototypical pure pocket passer?
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 3:51 pm to skrayper
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The SEC only played each other. Your argument doesn't really hold any merit when you consider that simple fact.
My argument holds tons of merit, I mean look at the Murderers' Row Mac and his inferior supporting cast had to endure, he won in spite of his coaches! I mean how on Earth did he not die after playing national contender Ole Miss? The all-time great Mississippi State team he played? should've died, I mean this guy is a legend of legends. When you can survive all-time great Auburn and LSU teams at the peak of their dominance, you've accomplished something only all-timers have. I mean geez how about that legendary Arkansas team he faced? Full of college football HOFers and a GOAT head coach! WOW!
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The SEC went 7-2 in bowl games. The ACC went 0-6. The only two losses for the SEC were a gutted Florida vs a "felt snubbed" Oklahoma, and an unranked Auburn against a top 15 Northwestern team.
I mean yeah the legendary teams both QBs faced in their respective conferences definitely stir the pot for argument, totes. The only way ANYONE can CREDIBLY MEASURE a CONFERENCE'S STRENGTH is by JUDGING CONFERENCE BOWL RECORD! Quality of players? BORING! Coaches? SKEWED! Team performance during the non-playoff regular season? MISLEADING! WE ONLY USE BOWL GAMES FOR ARGUMENT!
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I did note that you seem to think I am making an argument for Jones being drafted #1; I am not. I am simply stating that the arguments against Mac Jones regarding competition are more accurately applied to Lawrence.
That anyone would draft Lawrence no. 1 overall is stupid, dude can barely throw over 10 yards, feet of cement, surrounded by the best talent, players and coaches, in all of football, complete system quarterback, most overrated player in the history of the game. Travesty Mac won't go no. 1.
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:01 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Fields by a mile. Mac is a badass.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:23 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Both
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:25 pm to so_comfort
Bama WRs did not have three yards of separation all the time ( or even most of the time.) There is no way you watched Mac Jones play much football. He is literally known for his pinpoint accuracy.
Just watch the first throw here. Dropped it in a bucket where nobody but Waddle could catch it and the ball is in the air over 40 yards. There are hundreds more like it...
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Just watch the first throw here. Dropped it in a bucket where nobody but Waddle could catch it and the ball is in the air over 40 yards. There are hundreds more like it...
LINK
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:29 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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Hmmm… a freak of nature athlete with a cannon.. OR An inbred lard arse that will be managing a Buffalo Wild Wings in 5 years, who sucked for his entire career - but was “good” (by A1abana’s arse cheeks QB standards) - when the best players didn’t take the field. tHaT iS a ToUgH oNe. And did I mention his substance abuse and other off field issues?
Historically, while indeed trying harder than anyone else on here, Willy has at least been successful in at least pretending to be having fun as he obsessed over Alabama. However, I’m afraid the above lacks any type of facade of humor. He’s just furiously lashing out in a despondent rage. He truly appears to be broken by Bama. Can anyone perform a wellness check?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 5:55 pm to iglass
quote:This is the ALL important info that the teams look at. Jim Haslett told me that the interview was the most important aspect of the potential 1st round draft prospects' selection order.
More athletic QB's may have a higher ceiling but I think that attitude and mindset goes a long way in the NFL. And while we have seen lots of games, tape and analysis, the one thing we DON'T have is the interview and testing results by the teams. I would love to see an actual team's player analysis for Mac Jones (or a number of players, actually!). We don't know much in these areas but by the minimal accounts that we do have, Mac Jones has done well in those areas.
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