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Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:24 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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These are just bad excuses.
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:26 pm to TheGusBus34
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He teaches a version of the Air Raid, and is highly regarded as a top offensive mind.
Don’t know much about him but what were his issues with the Browns?
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:28 pm to Irons Puppet
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Most QBs improve over a two year period.
Not by going to a lesser talented team in a tougher conference. Our guy is going to a more talented team, and what do you expect?
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:29 pm to lsufball19
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know much about him but what were his issues with the Browns?
Freddie kitchens
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:38 pm to lsufball19
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Don’t know much about him but what were his issues with the Browns?
From Zac Jackson of The Athletic:
Speaking of disgruntled offensive coordinators, Todd Monken’s one season with the Browns was a disaster. Monken had the offensive coordinator title but Kitchens called the plays, and it was clear that Kitchens and Monken were never on the same page. Multiple sources told The Athletic that late in the season, Monken would spend time on the field before games telling opposing coaches how bad things were with the Browns, calling the team a “total mess” and saying that Kitchens’ Sunday play calling generally steered away from most things that had been in the game plan from Wednesday-Saturday.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:40 pm to djsdawg
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Not by going to a lesser talented team in a tougher conference. Our guy is going to a more talented team, and what do you expect?
His completion percentage was down and his yardage numbers were down. The only thing that changed was his TD to INT ration and that is why his rating was up a sliver. That is why using QB ratings is a joke.
The Wake kid threw for 8 more yards than Fromm and you were ready to run him out on a rail. And like you said SEC> ACC secondaries.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:40 pm to djsdawg
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Our guy is going to a more talented team
With an entirely new offensive line (and their position's coach), RB1 + RB2 gone, Cager gone, TE1 and TE2 gone.
Again, Burrow wasn't even successful when he first arrived and he may be the best passer of all time at the college level.
It's very hard to gel an entire offensive line in one off-season, let alone have an entirely new relationship formed between receivers, TEs and RBs with a new QB who hasn't even been practicing on the team until this year.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:48 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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With an entirely new offensive line (and their position's coach), RB1 + RB2 gone, Cager gone, TE1 and TE2 gone.
We already played the bowl game without most of those guys.
We return 5 of the guys who started in the bowl game + 2 other senior OL with multiple starts (giving us 5 total) + 2 other proven wrs + a loaded 2020 class.
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Most QBs improve over a two year period.
I would be worried if Newman wasn’t arriving until August like burrow did.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:56 pm to djsdawg
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We already played the bowl game without most of those guys.
The Big XII isn't exactly something to thump your chest about.
Similarly, Baylor isn't exactly that talented.
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We return 5 of the guys who started in the bowl game + 2 other senior OL with multiple starts (giving us 5 total) + 2 other proven wrs + a loaded 2020 class.
Again, this is Baylor. This is a single bowl game, games you guys said were worthless when you lost to Texas.
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I would be worried if Newman wasn’t arriving until August like burrow did.
Burrow is still a game changing QB, again, one of the most prolific passers if not the most prolific passer in College Football.
Jamie Newman is not and has a metric frick ton to learn about reading defenses until September. Not only does he need to progress, he also has to build relationships with his receivers and the OL -- all of which are going to be shuffled.
That you think this is an upgrade and there will be no attrition damage is precious.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:59 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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RB1 + RB2 gone
True, but there is probably only one or two teams nationally that wouldn't trade RB units with UGA. The talent is there.
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Cager gone
That does suck, but Pickens is the best WR UGA has had since AJ.
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TE1 and TE2 gone.
True, but let's not pretend either is even going to get drafted. Wolfe's playing career is done. Woerner may be an undrafted free agent / practice squad guy.
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entirely new offensive line
Little bit of an exaggeration there. One full time starter is back in the center Hill which is actually the second most important position to have experience back. Will probably have at least two new 5 star starters and two new 4 star starters. My bet is it works out OK.
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Again, Burrow wasn't even successful when he first arrived and he may be the best passer of all time at the college level.
True, but he also didn't have Joe Brady in his first year. So, if he did, would Burrow had been more successful in his first year? Probably so.
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It's very hard to gel an entire offensive line in one off-season, let alone have an entirely new relationship formed between receivers, TEs and RBs with a new QB who hasn't even been practicing on the team until this year.
I don't disagree here. No one is saying the UGA offense is going to be at a Burrow / Brady level, but it doesn't have to be. As long as they get to be average or above average through the year it will be fine. The defense can carry the show for much of the year.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Again, this is Baylor
Baylor had the best defense in the big 12.
And the defensive player of the year for the entire conference.
I'd say that the UGA offensive line did fine (and that was without Ben Cleveland and Justin shaffer).
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:03 pm to so_comfort
UGA returns starters Trey Hill, Ben Cleveland, and Justin Shaffer.
Fill in 5 stars Jamaree Salyer, Clay Webb and Broderick Jones and we will be fine on the OL.
Fill in 5 stars Jamaree Salyer, Clay Webb and Broderick Jones and we will be fine on the OL.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:03 pm to so_comfort
I'm saying look at what we can measure:
New offensive coordinator.
New offensive scheme.
9 offensive starters left.
Four on the offensive line which are now being "transformed" to be leaner.
New Offensive Line coach to adjust the OL.
New Quarterback who has transferred and is completely unproven.
New Tight Ends (this is important in blocking schemes).
Changing your QB, scheme, offensive line, OC in one off-season and having the offense firing on all cylinders is Herculean.
If Monken can do that Kirby should resign and hand over the headset.
New offensive coordinator.
New offensive scheme.
9 offensive starters left.
Four on the offensive line which are now being "transformed" to be leaner.
New Offensive Line coach to adjust the OL.
New Quarterback who has transferred and is completely unproven.
New Tight Ends (this is important in blocking schemes).
Changing your QB, scheme, offensive line, OC in one off-season and having the offense firing on all cylinders is Herculean.
If Monken can do that Kirby should resign and hand over the headset.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:05 pm to so_comfort
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True, but he also didn't have Joe Brady in his first year. So, if he did, would Burrow had been more successful in his first year? Probably
He was also working with 2 freshman receivers
and a sophomore his 1 st year.We all know
how difficult it is for freshman WR's in the SEC.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:06 pm to Irons Puppet
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His completion percentage was down and his yardage numbers were down. The only thing that changed was his TD to INT ration and that is why his rating was up a sliver. That is why using QB ratings is a joke.
The Wake kid threw for 8 more yards than Fromm and you were ready to run him out on a rail. And like you said SEC> ACC secondaries.
Completion % went down
Yards per attempt went up
Td % went up.
Int % remained the same.
If Kelly can do that, imagine what our guy can do.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:07 pm to dstone12
They think he's the next Brady and a kid from Wake Forest is the next Burrow?
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm not reading this whole thread but straws main point seems to be "ugas offense won't be as good as 2019 lsu". Is that it?
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:10 pm to meansonny
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Broderick Jones
If he is there. 3 true freshman starting on the O line blocking for a transfer from Wake Forest is the model for championships
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:10 pm to Poker Dough
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They think he's the next Brady
For fricks sake, nobody said this.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:11 pm to RD Dawg
Give it time
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