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Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:59 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:59 pm to Irons Puppet
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he had some help at UW.
And it showed. Good point concerning Newman. He is gonna have a lot more help.
Still, Bryant had less help, and he also improved.
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Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:02 pm to djsdawg
The problem with Jamie is that he's still not quite there in reading defenses. It's very easy in the ACC where pass defense is optional, but the moment he played Clemson they absolutely shut him down and baited him into several interceptions.
He will have good receivers, but he will also for the first time in his career be facing good defenses every other week.
One read passing works in the ACC, it does not work that well in the SEC where DBs can be a lot more physical.
He will have good receivers, but he will also for the first time in his career be facing good defenses every other week.
One read passing works in the ACC, it does not work that well in the SEC where DBs can be a lot more physical.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:08 pm to Irons Puppet
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Wilson went from passing the ball 500+ times to 300 times at UW. A team where he was the leading passer and second leading rusher to a team that produce a RB that had 1900 yeard. He was the Offense at NCS, he had some help at UW.
Not sure if you meant to but you basically just made the point for UGA. In any scenario he will be coming to a team with substantially better talent.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The problem with Jamie is that he's still not quite there in reading defenses. It's very easy in the ACC where pass defense is optional, but the moment he played Clemson they absolutely shut him down and baited him into several interceptions.
He will have good receivers, but he will also for the first time in his career be facing good defenses every other week.
One read passing works in the ACC, it does not work that well in the SEC where DBs can be a lot more physical.
I don't disagree with the assessment that Newman needs some work in reading defenses. To be honest, there are not a whole lot of college QBs that don't need to improve in this area. One thing I really like about the Monken hire is how glowingly he was spoken about by a former QB of his. I hope that Monken can instill the same confidence in Newman that he was able to instill in Fitzpatrick.
As to the Clemson game, the talent disparity between the two programs really makes it an iffy game to make any hard and fast proclamations from. The Wake Forest OL was incredibly bad and Newman had zero time in the pocket. With that being said, Clemson did take advantage of him staring down receivers a time or two.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:17 pm to djsdawg
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And it showed. Good point concerning Newman. He is gonna have a lot more help.
Still, Bryant had less help, and he also improved.
Some people use stats as the absolute. They never look into the situation. Bryant wasn't the starter anymore, he lost out to a Freshman, so he couldn't get it done even with that talent. Wilson was a one man show and I think he knew they would ride him again the next year if he stayed. At UW he could get some help from the running game. At NCS he was the running game. Now compare OLs at NCS and UW. Remember AU thought they had a good chance for Wilson, until he saw the OL returning.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:19 pm to Irons Puppet
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Bryant wasn't the starter anymore,
Started every game in 2017.
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Now compare OLs at NCS and UW.
You are making our point again. Compare uga to wake OL.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:20 pm to so_comfort
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I don't disagree with the assessment that Newman needs some work in reading defenses. To be honest there are not a whole lot of college QBs that don't need to improve in this area. One thing I really like about the Monken hire is how glowingly he was spoken about be a former QB of his. I hope that Monken can instill the same confidence in Newman that he was able to instill in Fitzpatrick.
You're one hundred percent right in this. I think that's why Monken is a good hire, I just don't know if that's something that can be significantly changed in one off-season. If Georgia can hold Monken for 2 years, it will greatly improve their chances to win a National Championship -- but I definitely wouldn't expect immediate results.
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As to the Clemson game, the talent disparity between the two programs really makes it an iffy game to make any hard and fast proclamations from. The Wake Forest OL was incredibly bad and Newman had zero time in the pocket. With that being said, Clemson did take advantage of him staring down receivers a time or two.
While this is true, Trevor Lawrence is a phenomenally better passer than Jamie Newman and his worst game came against LSU. The talent is all over Clemson, but clearly the defensive scheme in the SEC is simply so much better.
Talent is an okay excuse, but it's not the best because just the next week he had another miserable game against Syracuse who is equally talented and they were playing in the dome so it wasn't like bad weather took place.
We'll see what Monken can do.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:27 pm to djsdawg
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Started every game in 2017.
Not 2018. In 2017 Clemson made the playoff only because they played an ACC schedule.
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Now compare OLs at NCS and UW.
You are making our point again. Compare uga to wake OL.
He will have better talent around, but his stats at WF were not that great to make you think he will be better than Fromm, or can become elite. I guess hope springs eternal, especially with CF fans in late January.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You're one hundred percent right in this. I think that's why Monken is a good hire, I just don't know if that's something that can be significantly changed in one off-season. If Georgia can hold Monken for 2 years, it will greatly improve their chances to win a National Championship -- but I definitely wouldn't expect immediate results.
Another important point to add about Newman and being able to be coached up by Monken. Wake Forest isn't known to recruit dumb guys. Jamie is a graduate transfer, so I feel pretty confident that he's going to be the kind of guy that will take coaching well. Time will tell.
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he had another miserable game against Syracuse
This is not a truly well founded criticism. Newman was removed in the second quarter with a leg injury. True, he didn't have a hot start, but he didn't get to have a full game to get going either.
Also, in the very next game against Duke after the Clemson loss, he put up 284 yds passing and one passing TD with 144 yards rushing with a rushing TD. I wonder why you skipped talking about that one and went straight to Syracuse?
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:49 pm to so_comfort
His last five games he averaged less than a 50% completion rate and went 6 and 6 for Touchdowns to Interceptions.
He averaged 161 yards in those five games.
Those are not championship numbers and I'm not sure what else I can say about the matter.
Even rushing his average is the same as Feleipe Franks'.
He averaged 161 yards in those five games.
Those are not championship numbers and I'm not sure what else I can say about the matter.
Even rushing his average is the same as Feleipe Franks'.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:49 pm to Irons Puppet
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Not 2018. In 2017 Clemson made the playoff only because they played an ACC schedule.
Comparing his year as a starter in the acc to the sec. 2017 v 2019.
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He will have better talent around, but his stats at WF were not that great to make you think he will be better than Fromm, or can become elite.
His stats were better than fromm’s.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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His last five games
Yep. That happens when you lose your best two WRs and don't have the team depth to replace them. Not really a conundrum if you look into the "why" of the stats rather than just being satisfied with a face value assessment.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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last five games he averaged less than a 50% completion rate and went 6 and 6 for Touchdowns to Interceptions.
You mean the games after 2 of his top 3 wrs were out for the year. How convenient.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:57 pm to djsdawg
I'm interested to see what Monken can do at UGA. He will have some great talent to work with
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:02 pm to djsdawg
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Comparing his year as a starter in the acc to the sec. 2017 v 2019.
Sophomore vs Senior year, who would expect better stats SR year?
His stats were better than fromm’s
Not much better and most were ready for Fromm to leave after that performance.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:08 pm to Irons Puppet
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The point is they were not good enough to start all year. Don't make out that they were just misused players by the previous OC. Everyone wanted to blame Fromm and the OC for UGAs Offensive problems last year, but Fromm was a top 3 QB in the SEC, he just didn't have much around him. But I guess their second string will solve all those problems.
UGA’s 2nd string the last two years is better than 80% of P5 conferences starters. You really need to do your research before you open your large mouth bass.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:09 pm to Irons Puppet
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Sophomore vs Senior year, who would expect better stats SR year?
Junior in 2017. I didn’t expect improvement in a tougher league with far less talent, but he did it.
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not much better and most were ready for Fromm to leave after that performance.
But better, and Folks would have been more forgiving of Fromm if he could run the ball.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:14 pm to so_comfort
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Yep. That happens when you lose your best two WRs and don't have the team depth to replace them. Not really a conundrum if you look into the "why" of the stats rather than just being satisfied with a face value assessment.
We're talking about Syracuse, VA Tech and Michigan State.
These are not the who's who of great passing defenses.
Losing your two best receivers isn't an excuse to throw for less than 50% on average and not even be able to average 200 yards passing.
These are just bad excuses.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:17 pm to djsdawg
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Junior in 2017. I didn’t expect improvement in a tougher league with far less talent, but he did it.
Most QBs improve over a two year period.
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:18 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Losing your two best receivers isn't an excuse to throw for less than 50% on average and not even be able to average 200 yards passing.
Sure it is. A very legit excuse, along with an injured shoulder being a legit excuse.
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We're talking about Syracuse, VA Tech and Michigan State.
These are not the who's who of great passing defense
It’s wake forest. Not the kind of place with loaded roster that can replace injured starters.
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