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re: Merry Christmas! Jesus died for our sins
Posted on 12/25/21 at 12:55 pm to dchog
Posted on 12/25/21 at 12:55 pm to dchog
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If that is the case then belief in man made governments is fairly tale.
Wtf kind of logic is this? Damn y'all are brainwashed.
Guess what: If you were born in the Middle East, you'd be Muslim. Religion is environmental and shows how easy it is to manipulate humans into believing something invented out of thin air by other humans.
I already know your response: MUH FAITH
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Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:03 pm to X
Creation has a hierarchy that humans with the greatest minds don't understand. Einstein while not a believer in any God or religion, still believed an intelligent designer created existence. It may not align with the religions of the world but something very intelligent created everything. It is just beyond our understanding because we are limited.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:08 pm to bamameister
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I've always wondered why professed Christians work so hard at going beyond what is written.
Everything we are to do is not going to be written down. I mean, would there be enough paper to write down everything that is to be done? No.
quote:You won't answer the question? I mean, there all kinds of untruths in the world. Do you fight as hard against those as you do against Christianity?
Like this argument?
quote:I mean those who believe that Christ is the Son of God who died on the cross and arose three days later and try their best to live according to His will.
Now when you say "Christian" do you still mean people who are really "like Christ."
Too many people equate hypocrisy with those who fail to be perfect. The goal is to be perfect as Christ...but that is totally unobtainable. To think every person who is not perfect is a hypocrite or is not a Christian is faulty thinking.
It is not my job (or yours or anybody elses) to make that judgement call. Christianity is a relationship with God between God and an individual. Some people are strong Christians and some are young/immature Christians. None are perfect Christians. The relationship one has with God is between them and God. God truly knows where our hearts are, and we will be judged accordingly by God at a later time.
quote:I don't have an argument with you. I am just curious if you are consistent in your unbelief, or if you reserve your judgement to just Christians.
If so, then simply do what you are told by the boss. Follow the directions, period. As you can see, your biased argument really isn't with me at all.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:10 pm to BC_t_AD
We who are in him take part in his holy resurrection. We will not taste death because the grave could not hold him. Amen! Amen! Amen! Christ was born and rose again!
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:10 pm to X
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I love that in the absence of fact they all invoke faith.
Do you not understand that Christianity is an entirely faith based belief system? In its entirety it is faith based.
quote:I do hope you have ridiculed his belief and told him how silly he is being.
My kid has faith in Santa Claus, who is just as real as Jesus.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:12 pm to X
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Guess what: If you were born in the Middle East, you'd be Muslim.
Do you believe there are no Muslims who have converted to Christianity? I'm sure there have been some Christians who have converted to Islam. To think we are totally bound by the place we are born is silly.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:15 pm to X
One of the things you miss, is Jesus wasn't religious, in fact, he blasted the religious leaders of his age. They were blinded by mans traditions and what they thought/wanted to be true. What you also don't understand is Christianity isn't based on blind faith, but reality backed up by historical facts. I know you think this is all myth, but I will leave you with what Jesus himself said to the religious leaders back then, paraphrasing "If you don't believe the writings of Moses, how will you believe me."
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:18 pm to X
All other “religions” teach it’s what you do to make yourself acceptable to God, Jesus says it’s what he did for us and our faith in that, that’s what makes us right with God.
You can not be born a Christian at birth. So no matter what region you grew up in it does not make you a Christian. You must be born again to be a Christian. When you genuinely turn from sin and put your faith in Jesus he changes you. New creature, new spirit, new heart, desiring the ways of God. It’s super natural.
Also if you want to do actual research. We have 10,000 manuscripts in Greek, 17,000 manuscripts in Latin. All saying the exact same thing.
No other “religion” can claim that. For example if a famous philosopher writes a famous work, but only copies it down 10 times we go on blind faith that he absolutely wrote it and we credit it to them as fact.
But with the gospel we have that times a 1,000 but people say not from God!
Only God can write a work that spans over three continents, 40 different authors, three different languages, spanning over 1,500 years and it still comes out perfectly woven together saying the same exact message. Look up the prophecies!
Some parts of the Bible are written by farmers, fishermen, a tentmaker, homeless prophets, a doctor, a professional scribe, vocational musicians, pastors, etc. Amazing!
He used us to write it! He’s truly our God, and has done exactly what he says he has done.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life”
The Bible has reached more people and places than any other book ever written by FAR. By accident? No.
Praise Jesus!!!
You can not be born a Christian at birth. So no matter what region you grew up in it does not make you a Christian. You must be born again to be a Christian. When you genuinely turn from sin and put your faith in Jesus he changes you. New creature, new spirit, new heart, desiring the ways of God. It’s super natural.
Also if you want to do actual research. We have 10,000 manuscripts in Greek, 17,000 manuscripts in Latin. All saying the exact same thing.
No other “religion” can claim that. For example if a famous philosopher writes a famous work, but only copies it down 10 times we go on blind faith that he absolutely wrote it and we credit it to them as fact.
But with the gospel we have that times a 1,000 but people say not from God!
Only God can write a work that spans over three continents, 40 different authors, three different languages, spanning over 1,500 years and it still comes out perfectly woven together saying the same exact message. Look up the prophecies!
Some parts of the Bible are written by farmers, fishermen, a tentmaker, homeless prophets, a doctor, a professional scribe, vocational musicians, pastors, etc. Amazing!
He used us to write it! He’s truly our God, and has done exactly what he says he has done.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life”
The Bible has reached more people and places than any other book ever written by FAR. By accident? No.
Praise Jesus!!!
This post was edited on 12/25/21 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:18 pm to Cuthy
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Luke 2:1-2. Historical record of the times as to the Roman ruler and governor of Syrian province. The type of references you find in the Bible that can be/ have been searched in extra-Biblical records and found to be historically accurate.
The Jews knew he was coming. They had Biblica prophecy and people have the account you cited in Luke after the fact. What's missing? We're still missing the day and month.
The Jews, through prophecy, knew the time period through chronology and they knew the tribe he would be out of. The religious leaders would also be able to accurately research through the genealogical records if he was was a direct descendant of King David's family as he claimed.
What in the world does Dec 25 have to do with it?
Others have answered that and most any quick google search stands a good chance of being historically accurate. The non-Christian ideas like Christmas and Santa Claus introduced into modern religion are no secret. So why bother with that nonsense.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:19 pm to DawgsLife
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I do hope you have ridiculed his belief and told him how silly he is being
Equating the imagination of a child to a conversation between adults who are supposed to weigh evidence and think logically, tells you all you need to know about modern day religious thinking.
Question though; if you believe so strongly in the singular historic Jesus theory, why has their been no effort to celebrate his birth in mid-September? That would more accurately reflect the birth date.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:20 pm to AgsNguyening
The annual tradition of neckbeards being like WEELLLLLLL ACKSHUALLLEEEE
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:22 pm to AU_251
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Jesus was a brown man who you all today would call a socialist. He loved poor people.
I find it hard to reconcile the teachings of a proto-Marxist pasifist with my strong conservative values.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:23 pm to X
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Grown men who believe in fairy tales are truly something else.
The Gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.
This post was edited on 12/25/21 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:24 pm to bamameister
quote:Why are you so hung up with the day and the month? What difference does it make?
We're still missing the day and month.
quote:That is a random date that man picked to celebrate his birth.
What in the world does Dec 25 have to do with it?
We have Presidents day. It celebrates the birthday of our Presidents. Which President was born on that date?
It is a date chosen by people to honor someone.
Do you even know what the word Christmas means?
Christmas is literally “the mass for Christ”.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:24 pm to dchog
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It is just beyond our understanding because we are limited.
Religion is the word our limited minds came up with to attempt to define intelligent design and ascribe some hierarchy for man's relative importance in that structure.
Repeating the message for several thousand years, pointing to vague text that the masses couldn't read, interpreting "gods will" and killing anyone who disagreed led to all the factions and denominations.
Man's need to believe that they matter has always been the greatest hindrance to understanding the will of the cosmos, God, or actual enlightenment.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:26 pm to DawgsLife
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That is a random date that man picked to celebrate his birth.
No it’s not. You really should do some research on way you celebrate religious dates when you do.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:27 pm to ReversePiggie
Seems odd in light that a major point of Christianity is that man does not matter. Only Christ matters and what He did for us.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:28 pm to bamameister
The date that truly matters is each man’s birth date. The day he is birthed in Jesus - when he is supernaturally born again. NO man in this conversation can make you to become Christ’s man. It is for each man to decide, it’s a one-to-one personal decision between you and the One who offers you a gift of immense, eternal value.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:31 pm to DawgsLife
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Christianity is that man does not matter
I’m not sure how you can make that statement with a straight face.
Christianity and particularly Christian like for people do believe that man isn’t important and yet man was more important to the establishment of Christianity as a world wide religion than any other factor.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:33 pm to DawgsLife
Odd, I thought the entire argument was that man did matter... so much so that even the lord almighty was willing to let us kill his only son to prove it.
Despite making us fallible and unworthy, he still wanted to hang out after we died.
Despite making us fallible and unworthy, he still wanted to hang out after we died.
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