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re: Merry Christmas! Jesus died for our sins
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:34 pm to ReversePiggie
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:34 pm to ReversePiggie
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Religion is the word our limited minds came up with to attempt to define intelligent design and ascribe some hierarchy for man's relative importance in that structure.
Repeating the message for several thousand years, pointing to vague text that the masses couldn't read, interpreting "gods will" and killing anyone who disagreed led to all the factions and denominations.
Man's need to believe that they matter has always been the greatest hindrance to understanding the will of the cosmos, God, or actual enlightenment.
This guy gets it.
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Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:35 pm to AgsNguyening
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I’m not sure how you can make that statement with a straight face.
quote:Nope. Christ was. It was Christ that brought Christianity into the world. He taught and prepared His disciples to take the message out into the world and spread the Word, no doubt. but if not for His sacrifice on the cross all of mans efforts would have been for nothing, and would not have mattered.
Christianity and particularly Christian like for people do believe that man isn’t important and yet man was more important to the establishment of Christianity as a world wide religion than any other factor.
You don't have to believe it and you don't have to agree with it, but that is what Christianity is in a nutshell. The sacrifice that Christ made on the cross.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:36 pm to BC_t_AD
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Turn from your sin and believe the good news!! He will save you, and I don’t care what you’ve done.
This is Christmas, not Good Friday or Easter....
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:36 pm to First Sergeant1
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The Gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing
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The Gospel is foolishness
Fixed it for you.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:37 pm to DawgsLife
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quote: What in the world does Dec 25 have to do with it?
That is a random date that man picked to celebrate his birth.
This statement is really bothering me so I thought I would help with a resource for you and anyone else. I will also add that the same concept (substituting pagan holidays with Christian ones) is true with Easter as well. Good luck.
History of Christmas
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:37 pm to AgsNguyening
I want to encourage the believers in this thread to remember our battle is not with flesh and blood.
The unbelievers are not the enemy. Just share truth in love. Just two years ago I was 32 and could not care less about Jesus.
He changed me! And I’ll praise his name in love until I’m called home. Let’s love these guys! And try to answer their questions the best we can.
My number is 205-412-9633. If anyone wants to talk I’d love to talk about the Lord anytime.
The unbelievers are not the enemy. Just share truth in love. Just two years ago I was 32 and could not care less about Jesus.
He changed me! And I’ll praise his name in love until I’m called home. Let’s love these guys! And try to answer their questions the best we can.
My number is 205-412-9633. If anyone wants to talk I’d love to talk about the Lord anytime.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:38 pm to X
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This guy gets it.
So basically he "gets it" because he agrees with you.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:40 pm to DawgsLife
Um no. You guys still think it is your duty to proselytize any chance you get because of the “great commission” given to you before he flew into the sky. Man is the ONLY reason the story spread and was embellished. Sorry.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:41 pm to X
The Word is a great revealer of each man’s heart…to say “there, fixed it for you” to that scripture reference is perfectly, clearly a revealing of your need of Christ. “Perishing” is not a good path.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:42 pm to AgsNguyening
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Equating the imagination of a child to a conversation between adults who are supposed to weigh evidence and think logically, tells you all you need to know about modern day religious thinking.
How did that child come to his belief? Some adult told him that and some adult is feeding into that. Right?
quote:Actually they think it is more around March (last I heard) Because it doesn't matter when. Why do we not rise up and demand Lincoln's birthday be celebrated correctly? I remember when Lincoln's birthday and Washington's birthday was celebrated separately and on their actual dates. Why? because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. December 25th is when someone somewhere decided to celebrate it.
Question though; if you believe so strongly in the singular historic Jesus theory, why has their been no effort to celebrate his birth in mid-September? That would more accurately reflect the birth date.
Why does December 25th annoy you so much?
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:42 pm to DawgsLife
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So basically he "gets it" because he agrees with you.
This is a great opportunity to ask what your bible says you are supposed to do when you present someone with the “gospel” and they reject it? Here’s a hint; what you just wrote isn’t it. You better repent and ask forgiveness right now!!
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:44 pm to DawgsLife
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Everything we are to do is not going to be written down. I mean, would there be enough paper to write down everything that is to be done? No.
And yet the Bible specifically warned Christians to "not go beyond what is written."
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You won't answer the question? I mean, there all kinds of untruths in the world. Do you fight as hard against those as you do against Christianity?
I'm fighting yours. Have you got another one you would like me to address?
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I mean those who believe that Christ is the Son of God who died on the cross and arose three days later and try their best to live according to His will.
More people have been killed in the name of their Christian God in the 20th century with the first and second World War than all other wars put together. They believed in Jesus and professed his name. And the first person who always got drafted into each countries Christian army was God.
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oo many people equate hypocrisy with those who fail to be perfect.
Watching folks talk it up and not walk it up has very little to do with "perfection" and what people expect from others. It's such the lazy "Christian" counterattack.
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It is not my job (or yours or anybody elses) to make that judgment call.
Yet Jesus said, "by your fruits, you will be known." It's not what you think about yourself, or what others happen to think about you either. Your whole obligation is to get it right, by what you read and what you DO. Simply follow the instructions.
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I don't have an argument with you. I am just curious if you are consistent in your unbelief, or if you reserve your judgment to just Christians.
Why do you associate my position at this point with "unbelief"? You may have to change your premise. Let's see if you can do it.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:47 pm to DawgsLife
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Why does December 25th annoy you so much?
The date doesn’t annoy me; it’s the hypocrisy.
Many christians like yourself spend a lot of time and energy convincing mothers of your opinion of what is true, and yet spend no time explaining the truth of Jesus birth date or why the event is celebrated in December. Hell even you said it was a random date, which it is not. You demand truth on one hand then completely ignore on the other.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:47 pm to X
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I love that in the absence of fact they all invoke faith. My kid has faith in Santa Claus, who is just as real as Jesus.
You are making a claim based on faith in what you've been convinced is true/real. I don't have faith that Jesus is real. I know he's real, as do many others.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:47 pm to ReversePiggie
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Odd, I thought the entire argument was that man did matter... so much so that even the lord almighty was willing to let us kill his only son to prove it.
Man does not matter from the perspective of eternal life. Man can no more save himself than a pig can fly. (pun intended) However "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him, shall not perish but have eternal life.'
Now...I have honestly and patiently answered your questions.
Will you answer one for me?
Why do you feel compelled to try to ridicule and make fun of others beliefs?
When you see Muslims do you go to them and mock their beliefs?
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:48 pm to Cuthy
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Luke 2:1-2. Historical record of the times as to the Roman ruler and governor of Syrian province. The type of references you find in the Bible that can be/ have been searched in extra-Biblical records and found to be historically accurate.
Completely false. Luke makes a couple of historical errors in his infancy narrative that a confirmable by non-Biblical sources.
1. There was no empire wide census under Augustus.
2. The local census of Judea under Quirinius took place in AD 6-7, too late for the birth of Jesus.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:48 pm to AgsNguyening
We are to understand you are not rejecting us, but God. We can pray for you and I would like to ask all the believers in this thread to truly pray for the lost souls in this thread.
Let God work! And we can rejoice because we shared the gospel today!
Let God work! And we can rejoice because we shared the gospel today!
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:49 pm to AgsNguyening
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So basically he "gets it" because he agrees with you.
quote:What did I just write that is un-Christlike?
Here’s a hint; what you just wrote isn’t it.
I can give you many examples in the Bible in which Jesus rebuked unbelievers that openly mocked God.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:50 pm to DawgsLife
I won’t disagree there
Posted on 12/25/21 at 1:51 pm to DawgsLife
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Why do you feel compelled to try to ridicule and make fun of others beliefs? When you see Muslims do you go to them and mock their beliefs?
Stop it. Asking questions and presenting counter arguments isn’t “ridicule” or “make(ing) fun”. Tough up a little. You aren’t above being asked tough questions and if you are unable to answer them then just say so and move on. Don’t play the victim card please.
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