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re: Marcus Spears says Mullen is a top 5 coach in the country
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:19 pm to MaroonNation
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:19 pm to MaroonNation
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What stops him from going through it at State
The cruel, cruel reality of college football, son.
There is a reason the same teams win year after year. There is a relatively small collection of teams that have a realistic NC ceiling. MSU isn't one of them. Wouldn't ever say it's impossible but you'll need to be at the top limit of your talent ceiling AND get a lot of breaks, stay healthy etc... which is required in any championship run.
At one of the schools with a legitimate NC ceiling you are just going to have several more chances to put that type of season together because you can consistently recruit better. You don't have to have a once in a decade talent level on your team, you just have to have what you usually have. It's still difficult because you have to have everything else go right, but you have a very significant head start at these places.
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:19 pm to tomsellecksmustache
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His classes are not highly rated but he develops them just as good if not better than Chris Peterson.
Year in and year out, that is absolutely not true.
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So heck yeah he is top 5.
So Dan Mullen is a Top 5 coach despite having a losing conference record and one 10 win season in his career. I like Mullen, but that's an absolute joke.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:24 pm to TigerCat33
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24, 28, 18, 36 & 24. That is Mississippi States recruiting ranking over the last 5 years.
And they've finished 1 out of the last 6 seasons in the AP Poll.
He's a good coach, probably top 15, but he is not better than:
Saban
Dabo
Meyer
Chris Peterson
Gary Patterson
So no way is he top 5. You can add guys like David Shaw and Mike Gundy in as well where you can't really make a decent argument Mullen is better than those guys.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:27 pm to matthew25
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ego can't get through the door. That was a quote from Miami when they interviewed him.
I’ll take his ego over Freeze’s whoring and philandering any day.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:28 pm to JesusQuintana
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The cruel, cruel reality of college football, son.
There is a reason the same teams win year after year. There is a relatively small collection of teams that have a realistic NC ceiling. MSU isn't one of them. Wouldn't ever say it's impossible but you'll need to be at the top limit of your talent ceiling AND get a lot of breaks, stay healthy etc... which is required in any championship run.
At one of the schools with a legitimate NC ceiling you are just going to have several more chances to put that type of season together because you can consistently recruit better. You don't have to have a once in a decade talent level on your team, you just have to have what you usually have. It's still difficult because you have to have everything else go right, but you have a very significant head start at these places.
Yep, that is why the NC club is so small and rarely are new members added.
It is not just a MSU thing, there are 8 other SEC schools in the same boat.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:33 pm to cave canem
Absolutely.
Although, I would say that A&M can be that with the right coach. They should be better historically really. Just something missing there, but they have all the other elements.
Although, I would say that A&M can be that with the right coach. They should be better historically really. Just something missing there, but they have all the other elements.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:01 am to JesusQuintana
Last first time winner was Florida in 1996 I believe.
A&M is the best known example of doing less with more, it is their mantra, I don't expect it to ever change.
Way too much infighting and irrational boosters for any quality coach to stay for long, they are their own worst enemy.
A&M is the best known example of doing less with more, it is their mantra, I don't expect it to ever change.
Way too much infighting and irrational boosters for any quality coach to stay for long, they are their own worst enemy.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:03 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:16 am to Frac the world
He is hyping his brand up. Going to be the rage of the off-season and State's team is going to be a legitimate contender next year.
Then he's going to bolt for the NFL. You heard it here first.
Then he's going to bolt for the NFL. You heard it here first.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 12:17 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:33 am to wadewilson
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You're a State fan. If you're a dude, 95% chance you've had impure thoughts about a cow. If you're a chick, 99% chance you are a cow.
If you’re LSU, absolutely no doubt 100% you’ve had inbred relatives in your immediate family. Possibly your parents which statistically have a high probability of being siblings themselves. It’s highly disturbing how many of y’all have had sexual relations with your sibling. And it’s not looked down on like it is everywhere else.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:37 am to matthew25
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His ego can't get through the door. That was a quote from Miami when they interviewed him.
No it wasn’t. And considering the “interview” was a phone call to gauge his interest in the job, what fricking door would he have walked though. Do you ever get tired of being debunked and made a fool of?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:34 am to Frac the world
Not from a top 5 guys that could switch or for the future due to age and loyalty to the program, but I’d put Bill Snyder against anyone in CFB including Saban.
It has to be so hard to recruit and win in the Little Apple. His two predecessors were a combined 3-38-1. And Ron Prince was 17-20 during his brief leave 2006-2008.
I’ve always wondered (much like Gary Patterson) what he would do with elite talent. If you lead Kansas State to 6 top 10 finishes you should have a 600 foot statue in front of the stadium.
It has to be so hard to recruit and win in the Little Apple. His two predecessors were a combined 3-38-1. And Ron Prince was 17-20 during his brief leave 2006-2008.
I’ve always wondered (much like Gary Patterson) what he would do with elite talent. If you lead Kansas State to 6 top 10 finishes you should have a 600 foot statue in front of the stadium.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:42 am to arwicklu
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Bill Snyde
Also 78 and coming off a throat cancer battle. The guy really is amazing to me. The guy led them to 18 of their 20 bowl appearances prior to becoming eligible this year.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:31 am to Dawgsontop34
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So Dan Mullen is a Top 5 coach despite having a losing conference record and one 10 win season in his career. I like Mullen, but that's an absolute joke.
He’s got a less talented team every time he steps on the field against the top teams in the conference. Even as a great recruiter it would take an act of God to consistently out recruit teams like Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, etc.
If this guy goes somewhere like Florida, then he could be really scary with elite talent. Not a flame on LSU but he destroyed them with lesser talent. And as a Bama fan I know we have better talent even with linebacker issues and we were incredibly fortunate to win that game. Georgia and Auburn took care of their business but once again they have better talent too.
He’s also done a better job developing 2 and 3 star recruits at QB like Dak and Fitz than our conference has done with 4 and 5 star guys.
I don’t know if he’s a top 5 guy but the guy is able to do more with less than almost anyone. Art Briles, Petrino, Peterson, Franklin at Vandy are some guys I would compare his success to. At the end of the day you’re just not going to beat the big boys unless you can match talent magically.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:52 am to victoire sécurisé
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He is one year removed from a losing season that saw losses to South Alabama, BYU, Kentucky and Arkansas. He also had blowout losses to Alabama and Auburn and a whopping 1-pt win over Miami of Ohio in the St Petersburg Bowl
You haven't followed this game very long, have you? Our 5-7 season last year had very little to do with Dan on the field. However, it had almost everything to do with a coaching blunder made by Dan, off the field.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:25 am to wadewilson
quote:What's the difference between McElwain and LSU fans? One perfers dry humping sharks while the other perfers alligators don yer in the bayou.
a State fan. If you're a dude, 95% chance you've had impure thoughts about a cow. If you're a chick, 99% chance you are a cow.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:13 am to skirpnasty
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Then he's going to bolt for the NFL. You heard it here first.
I've been saying this all along, he will likely eventually Belichik when he decides to retire.
One thing people continually overlook regarding Mullen jumping to a "bigger" college program is he's a head coach but also very hands on with quarterbacks and also calls the plays and he loves doing it. How many of those big programs would be good with letting hm do that? Obviously start winning immediately and there won't be as much grumbling, assuming they would be good with it from the start. Lose some games going through the initial growing pains and all heck will break loose from the fan base and athletic departments Over hiring an offensive coordinator an turning over the play calling.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:20 am to DingLeeBerry
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One thing people continually overlook regarding Mullen jumping to a "bigger" college program is he's a head coach but also very hands on with quarterbacks and also calls the plays and he loves doing it. How many of those big programs would be good with letting him do that?
Non issue. Examples: Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley, Bobby Petrino, Steve Spurrier...
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 6:30 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:43 am to TidalSurge1
Fisher and Kelly maybe. Will be interesting to see what goes on with Fisher in the next couple of months. Petrino isn't and wasn't at a big time program. Spurrier/Florida was a very different situation than college football is 20+ years later. When he went to SC, that again isn't a big time program. We will see on Riley, but I would expect some changes. Big game Bob leaving didn't exactly leave a bench of time to get things settled.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:44 am to joshua2571
Wait. How about we go back actual 5 years.....not a fictious 2018. LSU 3 of 5 and 18 of 20.
But nice try Cow Patti
But nice try Cow Patti
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:47 am to CharlesLSU
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Wait. How about we go back actual 5 years.....not a fictious 2018. LSU 3 of 5 and 18 of 20.
Regardless, he's about to have won 9+ games in 3 of the last 4 years. The mythical 2018 season will make it 4 of 5.
List of coaches who have done that in Starkville:
That's it, that's the list.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 6:48 am
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