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LSU, what is it about in state mid week games?
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:49 am
While this could be an obvious troll subject, I am trying to avoid it turning into that.
Looking at the last few years some mediocre to bad teams seem to have LSU's # midweek. Now everyone loses midweek games. Anything can happen in baseball. But this seems like more than that, almost a pattern. Is there an underlying reason you seem to lose these games more so than other high-end teams? Using your #4/#5 types in the bullpen for weekends? Not getting up? Experimenting with the lineup?
2018
L - Louisiana 3-4
L - Southeastern Louisiana 4-5 (expected to be a good team)
2017
L - McNeese State 4-5 (36 win club)
L - New Orleans 4-7
L - Tulane 6-7
L - Tulane 6-9
2016
L - Lamar 11-12 (no quite LA, but closer to Lake Charles to HOU)
L - Tulane 1-7 (good team)
L - McNeese State
L - Tulane 1-4 (good team)
Looking at the last few years some mediocre to bad teams seem to have LSU's # midweek. Now everyone loses midweek games. Anything can happen in baseball. But this seems like more than that, almost a pattern. Is there an underlying reason you seem to lose these games more so than other high-end teams? Using your #4/#5 types in the bullpen for weekends? Not getting up? Experimenting with the lineup?
2018
L - Louisiana 3-4
L - Southeastern Louisiana 4-5 (expected to be a good team)
2017
L - McNeese State 4-5 (36 win club)
L - New Orleans 4-7
L - Tulane 6-7
L - Tulane 6-9
2016
L - Lamar 11-12 (no quite LA, but closer to Lake Charles to HOU)
L - Tulane 1-7 (good team)
L - McNeese State
L - Tulane 1-4 (good team)
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:51 am to Farmer1906
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Using your #4/#5 types in the bullpen for weekends?
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Experimenting with the lineup?
These two. Usually go pitcher by committee and giving younger pitchers set pitch counts to show what they have to see if they'll be useful come SEC play. Let non-weekend starters play to get at bats. This is nothing new. Skip Bertman regularly lost midweek games to shitty teams as well. We have always treated them as practices, and they have never mattered when it comes to seeding. All that matters is taking care of business on the weekend and more importantly during SEC play.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 11:52 am
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:54 am to Farmer1906
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Using your #4/#5 types in the bullpen for weekends? Not getting up? Experimenting with the lineup?
Sometimes you just get outplayed but I think these have a lot to do with it, maybe not the "getting up" part. Id certainly hope our guys get up for every game especially after losing so many midweeks. CPM throwing people into weird situations and letting struggling pitchers go too long to see if they can get out of a jam and things like that are part of it too.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:58 am to Farmer1906
Paul experiments with lineups and pitching rotations during mid-week games.
He knows losing a few of those each year is worth having an optimal lineup later on. His teams generally peak at the end of the year, partially due to this.
Last year we lost a bunch and went to the NCAA finals in Omaha.
He knows losing a few of those each year is worth having an optimal lineup later on. His teams generally peak at the end of the year, partially due to this.
Last year we lost a bunch and went to the NCAA finals in Omaha.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:58 am to Farmer1906
Mainieri uses midweek games to tinker with pitching, positions and lineups preparing for SEC play. The opponents treat it like it’s their World Series.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:58 am to Farmer1906
Paul has never cared about mid-week games, makes sense since the weekend is what really counts, we still win the vast majority of mid weekers by far. He really likes to use them to meddle with the lineup, rest starters here and there, and ride struggling pitchers. He'd gladly trade a loss mid-week for an extra weekend win.
Couple that with this game being the world series for many opposing teams who occasionally will throw weekend guys, etc...
Couple that with this game being the world series for many opposing teams who occasionally will throw weekend guys, etc...
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/8/18 at 12:14 pm to Farmer1906
National seed every year you researched.
I think that answers the question.
I think that answers the question.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 12:50 pm to Farmer1906
Well at most of the in state schools, the majority of the players weren’t even offered by LSU so when they play LSU, they treat it as their biggest game of the year and they come out ready to play LSU. Also most of the players at in state schools are kids from Louisiana so they take not getting offered by LSU to heart. LSU will also usually pitch young pitchers to get them experience in games so they are bound to make lots of mistakes.
Bottom line is smaller state schools treat the LSU game as their World Series and LSU treats the games as games to give other players playing experience so they can be ready for the next year when they play in weekend series. It really isn’t that big of a deal to lose a few midweek games to in state schools but the in state schools will troll LSU really bad when they beat LSU
Bottom line is smaller state schools treat the LSU game as their World Series and LSU treats the games as games to give other players playing experience so they can be ready for the next year when they play in weekend series. It really isn’t that big of a deal to lose a few midweek games to in state schools but the in state schools will troll LSU really bad when they beat LSU
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 3/8/18 at 12:52 pm to sta4ever
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but the in state schools with troll LSU really bad when they beat LSU
..and nobody hears them
Posted on 3/8/18 at 12:57 pm to Farmer1906
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2018
L - Louisiana 3-4
L - Southeastern Louisiana 4-5 (expected to be a good team)
2017
L - McNeese State 4-5 (36 win club)
L - New Orleans 4-7
L - Tulane 6-7
L - Tulane 6-9
2016
L - Lamar 11-12 (no quite LA, but closer to Lake Charles to HOU)
L - Tulane 1-7 (good team)
L - McNeese State
L - Tulane 1-4 (good team)
One thing to consider is that our instate schools are not that bad. ULL/USL/Louisiana faced us in a Super a few years back and has hosted regionals in recent years. SLU has been in the tourney 3 of the last 4 years. These are terrible teams to lose to and the games have been incredibly close.
Now take into consideration that we are throwing freshmen and throwing 4-5 guys and they are using their weekend staff to secure the win and it kind of puts the games into perspective. In no way am I ok with us losing, but it is not the end of the world. SEC play is coming and we hit our stride then. These losses also help other Louisiana programs get into the tourney as well so I'm cool with that.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:06 pm to Farmer1906
Those teams have LSU circled as their Superbowl. LSU doesn’t give a rats arse about em. They play super hard, LSU doesn’t. Pretty straightforward imo. It is weird considering they don’t have a single win, you’d think they’d outtalent most of those teams.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:17 pm to BobLeeDagger
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It is weird considering they don’t have a single win
we beat Southeastern on Sunday and have also beaten UNO and Grambling in state this year. Last year LSU went 7-5 against in state schools. The year prior they went 8-3.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:43 pm to Farmer1906
2018
L - Louisiana 3-4 (Away)
L - Southeastern Louisiana 4-5 (expected to be a good team) (Away)
2017
L - McNeese State 4-5 (36 win club)(Away)
L - New Orleans 4-7 (Away)
L - Tulane 6-7
L - Tulane 6-9 (Away)
2016
L - Lamar 11-12 (no quite LA, but closer to Lake Charles to HOU) (Away)
L - Tulane 1-7 (good team)
L - McNeese State
L - Tulane 1-4 (good team) (Away)
Tulane and ULL are post season regulars. Southeastern has been good the last few years, last year I think they were the only non power 5 school with an at large bid. McNeese State was the conference champion in Southeastern's conference so they were pretty good.
L - Louisiana 3-4 (Away)
L - Southeastern Louisiana 4-5 (expected to be a good team) (Away)
2017
L - McNeese State 4-5 (36 win club)(Away)
L - New Orleans 4-7 (Away)
L - Tulane 6-7
L - Tulane 6-9 (Away)
2016
L - Lamar 11-12 (no quite LA, but closer to Lake Charles to HOU) (Away)
L - Tulane 1-7 (good team)
L - McNeese State
L - Tulane 1-4 (good team) (Away)
Tulane and ULL are post season regulars. Southeastern has been good the last few years, last year I think they were the only non power 5 school with an at large bid. McNeese State was the conference champion in Southeastern's conference so they were pretty good.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:45 pm to TigerNlc
They won’t understand that the away games at ULL, SLU, and Tulane are all sold out and raucous as well.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 1:52 pm to Farmer1906
Good convo, gents.
This went over a lot better than I expected.
This went over a lot better than I expected.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 2:53 pm to YungBuck
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They won’t understand that the away games at ULL, SLU, and Tulane are all sold out and raucous as well.
correct, I believe ULL and Southeastern both set attendance records the past two weeks when they played LSU. I know for certain Southeastern did but not 100% on ULL
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:03 pm to Farmer1906
So we should just act like the 19 wins over in state team, plus Lamar, didn't happen?
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:15 pm to Farmer1906
LSU lost 22 midweek games in their 6 championship seasons.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:44 pm to Farmer1906
it seems louisiana (like texas) has some pretty good mid major teams. in fact, id be surprised if any other state outside of cali has more quality programs. florida has the big 3 but doesnt seem to have as much depth.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 4:15 pm to Uncle Gunnysack
Texas has more than California IMO
Texas:
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Texas
Texas A&M
Sam Houston
Dallas Baptist
Houston
Texas State
Lamar
SFA
California:
Stanford
USC (hasn't even been good in awhile)
UCLA
Pepperdine (hasn't been good in awhile)
Long Beach St.
Fresno St
Cal
San Diego State
California has a ton of D1 programs but not as many as Texas that have actually had success. They have a lot of schools that have never made the tournament or only a couple times.
Texas:
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Texas
Texas A&M
Sam Houston
Dallas Baptist
Houston
Texas State
Lamar
SFA
California:
Stanford
USC (hasn't even been good in awhile)
UCLA
Pepperdine (hasn't been good in awhile)
Long Beach St.
Fresno St
Cal
San Diego State
California has a ton of D1 programs but not as many as Texas that have actually had success. They have a lot of schools that have never made the tournament or only a couple times.
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