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re: LSU: is Orgeron the guy?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:09 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:09 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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No, LSU defense is NOT loaded with 5-stars. No LSU is NOT loaded with 5-stars.
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The LSU defense will feature at least two five star players at every level in 2018. This is the part where you shut the frick up.
Looky here Boudreaux...Since the entire LSU team returning next year has only four 5-star players on it, your statement is another stupidity by another delusional LSU fans. Lawrence, Toliver, Fulton, Stevens were 5-star recruits PERIOD. So unless you are counting those players twice... kindly go back to drinking and spare the board your drunken tremors.
Kindly learn what 247sports and google are all about... freaking corn dog.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 4:11 pm
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:13 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Maybe your friend should be more concerned about why nobody is willing to take a $4 million+ a year head coaching job at Tennessee?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:14 pm to r2d2
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Saban did lose to UAB though in his first year.
Program was at a completely different place at that time, especially from a talent and support standpoint.
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not out of conference but Miles did drop a few head scratchers over the years though: Ole Miss 2013, 14 and 15 vs Arkansas (not only losing but not even really competing)… and had several other very close calls like Tennessee 2010, Ole Miss 2006 and 2012; and others. Games on paper he had the better team and barely won and at times got outplayed.
These all are true, but the difference is that Miles was only retained on because of his two SEC titles and 1 NC title with another appearance. Had LSU not had the 2011 run, Miles would've been fired much sooner when those losses were happening. Instead his buyout ballooned because of past success, and he had to be held onto longer because of it.
I don't think O will bottom out. In that I mean he won't destroy this program. I do not however believe he will ever win the West nor an SEC championship, much less a national title.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:16 pm to AshLSU
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You do realize that this makes it even more embarrassing right? Nearly losing to Troy after having a national championship team the year before is far worse than barely losing to Troy your first year as actual head coach coming off an 8 and 4 previous season.
Again, both guys ended up winning those games. O lost his. Both also had already cemented themselves as top coaches with NC wins. Hell, Miles had 3 straight 11+ win seasons prior to that, and lost his starting QB prior to the season.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:20 pm to Geauxgurt
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ell, Miles had 3 straight 11+ win seasons prior to that, and lost his starting QB prior to the season.
Also made a very bad decision when he lost his previous DC and that side also took a hit. Sitll managed to go 8-5. Some coaches lose their starter in the opening go 5-6 and get rewarded with a 75 million contract.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:20 pm to Geauxgurt
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Program was at a completely different place at that time, especially from a talent and support standpoint.
They were talented enough to knock off #11 Tennessee the week after losing to UAB.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:25 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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h a defensive roster loaded with five stars.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:29 pm to LSU82BILL
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They were talented enough to knock off #11 Tennessee the week after losing to UAB.
Not always just about talent. Also about the state of program and what had become the culture.
O was supposed to be about continuity, thus he doesn't get to use that excuse.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:32 pm to Jacknola
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Kindly learn what 247sports and google are all about...
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:39 pm to Jacknola
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No, LSU defense is NOT loaded with 5-stars. No LSU is NOT loaded with 5-stars. No, the SEC office in Birmingham does not fix the schedules to favor Alabama. No, the FBI doesn't give a frick about LSU conspiracy theories.
at least 75% of your post history relates to LSU. Find a hobby or find a new place to live.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:42 pm to Geauxgurt
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O was supposed to be about continuity, thus he doesn't get to use that excuse
Continuity? He had a new offense, offensive coordinator, RB coach, WR coach and recruiting coordinator.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:00 pm to lsufball19
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at least 75% of your post history relates to LSU. Find a hobby or find a new place to live.
Oh my god... so if I post truth and fact-checks when LSU fans go off the rails, which is often, I have quit posting and move out of New Orleans, my home for 35 years?
So, somehow you agree that LSU will return a "defense with 5-star recruits 2-deep at every level (whatever "level" means)" is true? Do you live in an alternative universe or something?
Look Thibodeaux, perhaps you just "can't handle the truth." I suggest becoming a student of LSU football instead of just a sheep-baaaaaing fan.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:21 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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LSU: is Orgeron the guy?
Serious question:
How much job security would any head coach at LSU have these days?
Let's take what Bear Bryant did at Alabama for example:
1961: 11-0, National Champs
1962: 10-1, Orange Bowl
1963: 9-2 Sugar Bowl
1964: 10-1 National Champs
1965: 9-1-1 National Champs
1966: 11-0 SEC Champs
1967: 8-2-1 Cotton Bowl
1968: 8-3 Gator Bowl
1969: 6-5, 8th in SEC, Liberty Bowl
1970: 6-5-1, 7th in SEC, Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl
1971 thru 1979: 1st in SEC every year but one, 3 national titles, 8 conference titles
Nowadays, Bear Bryant seat would be plenty warm after back to back 6-5 seasons. LSU didn't wait for Miles to lose 5 games in 2015. Ditto for UGA with Richt in 2014.
Now, I could argue that a guy like Bryant or his modern day counterpart Saban will be given a longer leash because he's more than proven his worth whereas Richt and Miles never proved they were worthy of that long of a leash. And truth be told, in 1970 Bryant's issues had far more to do with the difficulty in finally integrating the SEC than anything to do with Bryant's skills as a coach. But I would still argue that *all* coaches have shorter leashes than they did 20 years ago, let alone 40 years ago.
So to answer your question, no coach is a long term solution until they prove they are worthy. They are all on relatively short leashes and never more than a year or two away from being fired if the losses start piling up.
Jimbo Fisher's seat would've started warming up in a hurry next year at FSU if he turned in another 4-6 start. I doubt his one title at FSU would have saved his job.
Coach O will have to keep earning his job every year. If he doesn't find a way to beat Bama and/or get to Atlanta once in a while, he'll find out how long his leash really is.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:33 pm to Geauxgurt
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Both also had already cemented themselves as top coaches with NC wins.
Alleva came in with a jackhammer and busted up that cement.
Miles reestablished himself as a very good coach who could no longer beat Bama, often couldn't beat the teams in the West he was supposed to beat and was no longer in the conversation for Atlanta after the first weekend in November.
I'm not saying Coach O is better. Coach O has some time left, not a lot mind you, but some time to prove that he can beat Bama and can compete to go to Atlanta. Miles ran out of time to do that and his pre-2012 accomplishments did little to postpone his inevitable firing when it became all too clear he wasn't righting the ship.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:33 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
I hope he does well at LSU. From what ive read on coach O he seems like a genuine good guy and being a native Louisiana guy who grew up on the bayou being the head coach at LSU has to be a dream come true for him.
I hope he succeeds and his tenure is remembered fondly when he is no longer the coach
I hope he succeeds and his tenure is remembered fondly when he is no longer the coach
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:45 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:Are you the ghost of Tuscaloosa?
Not that I’m aware of.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:32 pm to Jacknola
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Oh my god... so if I post truth and fact-checks when LSU fans go off the rails, which is often, I have quit posting and move out of New Orleans, my home for 35 years?
So, somehow you agree that LSU will return a "defense with 5-star recruits 2-deep at every level (whatever "level" means)" is true? Do you live in an alternative universe or something?
LSU will have 9 defensive players, not including the current recruiting class or any all-conference players who happened to have been four stars, who were ranked as five stars by one or more service. That’s a fact gump, whether you throw a hissy fit about it or not. 247 and their “proprietary algorithm” are a running joke in recruiting circles. But by all means, keep having a stroke at the thought of anyone besides Bama having talent.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:50 pm to cardboardboxer
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Their whole program's short term future basically relies on Aranda not taking a head coaching job for years.
You're better than this.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:56 pm to cardboardboxer
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You are behind the times. Coach Cookie Monster reset the expectations when he lost to Troy. Now a nine win season is seen as a positive accomplishment in BR.
Nevermind. You aren't better than this.
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