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re: LSU Fans—Max Johnson Question
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:43 am to JackTraven
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:43 am to JackTraven
If Brennan is 100%, my guess is he will win the job in the long run. Ideally, if he has a great year and moves onto the NFL (since this will be his fifth season) ....That would give Max another year to prepare/be our back up and take the full reign in 2022. That’s ideally what would happen.
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:44 am to logjamming
To answer your question, Max Johnson.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:46 am to Scoob
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They put Brennan in 6 games that year, and kept wanting him to take over. He couldn't do it then; we all said (and hoped) it was because he was a freshman.
If he had come in and played like Johnson, he would have started some games that year
That was an entirely different offensive scheme than what Johnson played in.
Brennan played in more of a spread Air Raid type of offense in high school.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:51 am to logjamming
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Brennan set all kinds of school records for yards, completions, completion percentage, TDs, etc. in his first three starts.
60.3% a record?
That 60.3% was, though
the best of the 3 qbs
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:56 am to logjamming
quote:I'm not bashing Brennan, but some guys have "it", and other guys don't.
He threw for 1,112 yards, 8.5 per attempt, 11 TDs, and 3 picks in his only three starts.
Was he supposed to play DB as well? Defense gave up 44 to a garbage state team and 45 to a middle of the road Mizzou team.
It doesn't matter about stats, it matters what you do when it needs to be done.
LSU gave up a lot to Miss State, but was down 3 and recovered a fumble at the 23 in the 4th quarter. Time to score and reclaim the lead... LSU went 3 and out, kicked the FG to tie.
State scored on the next drive, we went 3 and out again and punted, they scored again, then we ran the remaining time out without scoring.
Against Mizzou we also gave up a ton, but had it 1st and goal at the 1 to win. 4 plays, nothing, we lost.
Johnson's turn-
We entered the 4th quarter at Florida down 31-27. Johnson led them to 10 pts and the W.
We were down 48-40 to Ole Miss late in the 4th quarter. Johnson led LSU to 2 TD drives late to win.
Johnson has come up big when it counts. Brennan hasn't.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:58 am to Scoob
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Johnson's turn-
We entered the 4th quarter at Florida down 31-27. Johnson led them to 10 pts and the W.
I seem to remember them going 3 and out then someone chucked footwear
Posted on 2/2/21 at 11:59 am to JackTraven
Brennan is the best if healthy. His arm is way better than Max.
Max is a solid qb. Doesn't throw a good deep ball, doesn't have elite arm strength.
If Max is the day one starter, I think Brennan is done. The people against him point at W/L which isn't a qb specific stat.
Max is a solid qb. Doesn't throw a good deep ball, doesn't have elite arm strength.
If Max is the day one starter, I think Brennan is done. The people against him point at W/L which isn't a qb specific stat.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:02 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:And you know what, we then went down and got the FG for the lead.
Johnson's turn-
We entered the 4th quarter at Florida down 31-27. Johnson led them to 10 pts and the W.
I seem to remember them going 3 and out then someone chucked footwear
Miss State game- down 10 with just under 4 minutes, we needed 2 scores in a hurry. Brennan goes 3 and out, Miss State commits a personal foul on 4th and 15. Drive stays alive...
we run the clock down and don't get a point. Brennan ends up throwing an INT.
In other words, Johnson got a second chance, and made good with it. Brennan has not.
Show me the game-winning drives Brennan has led. Show me the game winning drives Johnson has led.
I don't care if the game is under 10 or in the 50's, if you have a chance to win, you want the guy who has shown he can win it late. That's not arm mechanics, that's not what he benches, that's something above the shoulders that is either there, or it's not.
Johnson has shown he has it.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:24 pm to JackTraven
If Brennan is healthy he will start.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:50 pm to Scoob
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Johnson has come up big when it counts. Brennan hasn't.
He went three and out on the last drive after checking it down on 3rd and 10. We got bailed out on the shoe toss.
Don’t get me wrong—I think Johnson has more upside. But much like Mettenberger in 2013, you can’t knock him when his defense is literally the worst in school history.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 5:43 pm to logjamming
Johnson has 2 game-winning drives in 2 starts as a true freshman. You can talk about him being bailed out, that's fine- the score was tied and he didn't mess up and turn it over. We would have punted, and yes, Trask would likely have driven the field and we'd have lost.
We won.
Ole Miss, he rallied the team again.
We started the season 1-2 with Brennan, he had 2 games where he could have rallied us to W's. He didn't.
He may well start next year, and go 12-0. That would be awesome. But as of now, Johnson's the guy I want with the game on the line. He's the only one on the roster who produced in that scenario.
We won.
Ole Miss, he rallied the team again.
We started the season 1-2 with Brennan, he had 2 games where he could have rallied us to W's. He didn't.
He may well start next year, and go 12-0. That would be awesome. But as of now, Johnson's the guy I want with the game on the line. He's the only one on the roster who produced in that scenario.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 5:45 pm to Scoob
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We started the season 1-2 with Brennan, he had 2 games where he could have rallied us to W's. He didn't.
No offense but this is simpleton logic.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 5:51 pm to logjamming
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I’d say Johnson is the QB of the future
Garrett Nussmeier will have a lot to say about this I'm guessing. Not discounting Max at all, just think Nuss is really that good.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:05 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Ok, call it whatever you want.
No offense but this is simpleton logic.
A system can get you 300 yds, but you still need the right guy to lead a game-winning drive.
Call it clutch, call it whatever you want. Johnson seems to have the most of it on LSU's roster. I get that he also looks the worst in warmups.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:17 pm to Scoob
By your argument, you'd take Eli Manning over Aaron Rodgers. Wins and losses aren't a metric to judge any single player. Hell going by your method Brady is still excellent.
A healthy Brennan makes throws that Max can't. Max does move better but the arms aren't close.
A healthy Brennan makes throws that Max can't. Max does move better but the arms aren't close.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 6:46 pm to Dstllsu
quote:I'm not going by wins/losses, I'm going by whether a player processes the play and makes a successful decision, and whether he does that when the pressure is on and it's a W-L event.
By your argument, you'd take Eli Manning over Aaron Rodgers. Wins and losses aren't a metric to judge any single player.
Drew Brees and Peyton Manning will never be mistaken for guys with elite arms, and neither would Joe Montana.
Guys like Jamarcus Russell, Jeff George, etc- they had elite arms.
To play QB, you need more than an arm. In modern offenses, you will have 3-5 eligible receivers on any given play, you have to pick the right one. You have to read the defense pre-snap, and as the play is unfolding. You have to process what's going on continuously- does the pre-snap D put you in such bad position that you need to audible, or call TO? Do you see the openings to throw, do you have time to wait for the openings? Can you shift or slide, do head fakes, and so on, to manipulate the defense? Etc.
You need all of that, and then you need the arm to make those passes.
Lotsa times, you get a guy with an elite arm, and he's been able to fit lasers through small windows to his first option all his life... and hasn't necessarily developed the rest of the game. And when he hits a level where that's not possible (the SEC for example, or the NFL)... he's fricked. At least until he progresses.
In just my own opinion, I think Finley is the guy with the arm that hasn't learned the rest.
I think Brennan may well be in that group, perhaps a little more developed, but also a few years less future availability.
I think Johnson might be the most developed, needs to learn the system a bit better, and has years to play.
your assessment may be completely different, and that's fine.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:27 pm to Scoob
Agreed. QB is a position much more important from the neck up than the shoulder down.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:33 pm to SoFla Tideroller
There's nothing to say he makes reads better than Brennan either. Those early games the offensive line was blocking ghosts.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 6:05 am to Dstllsu
quote:Except results...
There's nothing to say he makes reads better than Brennan either.
quote:Brennan had the line blocking well enough for him to average over 300 yds.
Those early games the offensive line was blocking ghosts.
Look, I'm not banging on Brennan. The OP asked if Johnson has been the starter or if there will be a competition.
It's been announced that there will be open competition, which is fair, but doesn't favor Brennan.
We have new offensive coaches coming in. If they go purely by how the guys look throwing the ball in practice, and Brennan's healthy, then I think in a beauty contest it's Brennan 1, Finley 2, Johnson 3.
If they review game film from last season to get a look at each guy's gameday presence, it's Johnson 1, Brennan 2, Finley 3. Johnson played bigger than his stats, Brennan played smaller than his.
If they take age/class into consideration, Johnson's a guy they can build around, Brennan is most likely a 1 yr prospect now. So if they're close, I say Johnson gets the nod as he's got more future, definite in 2022 and likely for 2023.
That allows you to build for a run, Brennan's more of a bridge.
We're all just guessing here.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:17 am to Scoob
If I watched the film on these guys (and I've seen Max through highschool as well).. I'd go Brennan, Max, Nuss, Finley. If I was going on ceiling, I'd take Nuss 1.
I could definitely be wrong. Damn sure didn't see Burrow doing close to what he did.
I could definitely be wrong. Damn sure didn't see Burrow doing close to what he did.
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