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re: Lots of realignment rumors spiking back up
Posted on 4/28/23 at 10:57 am to remaster916
Posted on 4/28/23 at 10:57 am to remaster916
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mega conferences.
This is the inevitable outcome. College football has already morphed, fundamentally and rapidly, for the sake of TV ratings/$$$.
It’s not done yet.
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Posted on 4/28/23 at 10:59 am to Captain Insano
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Does this even matter any more? Viewers are viewers. It’s not like we are fighting over “TV Markets” any more.
It doesn’t matter from a geographic standpoint like it used to, but it does matter from a demographic standpoint.
In 1980, Ohio and Michigan’s combined populations were only 3.9 million less than Florida and Texas’ combined population.
Today, Florida+Texas now have more than 29 million more people than Ohio+Michigan, and the trend shows no sign of slowing.
Within 50 years, the Sunbelt states will dwarf the rest of the country in population and the BIG10 would be wise to get a slice of that growth.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:01 am to BZ504
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Kick Vandy out. They belong with Duke and Wake Forest.
The second the B1G or SEC kick a school out, especially a founding member, is the day their downfall begins. That sets a terrible precedent and would send a shiver up the spine of any AD of a middle or lower tier school in the conference. The other conference could use it as leverage to destabilize the conference, for starters. Simply will not happen barring an extraordinary circumstance like SMU's death penalty. It's much easier to consolidate power by adding other conferences' best schools, as we've seen over the past 30 years. If the B1G or SEC thought the best path was to boot the lower tier schools out, they would've done it years ago.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:06 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
I actually would enjoy a B10 vs SEC 2 conference NFL style regular season + playoff schedule. Like 9 conference games 3 games vs B10 schools. Conference champions get a first round playoff bye and home field advantage for the remainder of the playoffs, then have seeds based on conference ranking with the conference runned up always the 2 seed with home field advantage etc.
It would definitely offer a very cool viewer experience and much fewer cupcake games.
It would definitely offer a very cool viewer experience and much fewer cupcake games.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:13 am to remaster916
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The SEC and Big Ten will become 24 team mega conferences soon.
The regular season will become all conference games.
Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia Tech will be in the SEC soon with two teams from the western US.
I've convinced myself that the B1G and SEC both view 20 as the final number for membership. I think you hit diminishing returns very hard after that because: (1) there aren't enough games on the calendar to play everyone often enough to further drive the value of media deals; and (2) there aren't 16 more schools out there that increase long-term payout per school for the B1G and SEC. This is particularly true for the SEC, since it seems committed to maintaining some semblance of geographic/cultural identity, which effectively rules out any remaining PAC schools.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 11:34 am to BreakawayZou83
We might try to take UNC and UVA if true.
We should not take either ... NC State and Va Tech are both better fits for the SEC and would bring the same markets to the table.
We should not take either ... NC State and Va Tech are both better fits for the SEC and would bring the same markets to the table.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 12:32 pm to BZ504
Come on, they are a founding school. If that could be done, maybe we can gin up enough votes to kick out LSU as well.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 12:41 pm to BreakawayZou83
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UNC, Miami, FSU, and Clemson
Only UNC is an AAU school from that list, which is a prerequsite to joining the Big 10.
I could see the Big 10 going to 24 teams, with UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and Cal joining.
The SEC would probably then be forced to pick up NC State, FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State.
Something like that. We're going to get pinched with the geography issue regardless.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:05 pm to BreakawayZou83
You seriously just referenced Tigernet. Lmmfao. You must not know. Lord have mercy.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:08 pm to BreakawayZou83
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The second the B1G or SEC kick a school out, especially a founding member
In the SEC this cannot happen.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:21 pm to ForeverGator
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Only UNC is an AAU school from that list, which is a prerequsite to joining the Big 10.
I could see the Big 10 going to 24 teams, with UNC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and Cal joining.
It's not a prerequisite, but they have never invited a non-AAU school. Nebraska did lose AAU-status after joining the B1G. To play devil's advocate, Notre Dame is not an AAU school and we all know the B1G would do anything to bring them into the fold. FSU is actively campaigning to join the AAU anyway. I think the B1G would make an exception there to get a powerful program in the heart of SEC country.
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The SEC would probably then be forced to pick up NC State, FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State.
There is a zero percent chance that Kansas State ends up in the SEC. Less than 1% chance that Oklahoma State or Louisville get invites. Less than a 2% chance that Kansas gets an invite.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:24 pm to Carolina_Girl
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You seriously just referenced Tigernet. Lmmfao. You must not know. Lord have mercy.
Oh I do. But it wasn't just an anonymous poster, to be fair. The video I linked is from their Senior Writer, David Hood, who has been covering Clemson athletics since 2008 and does have some legitimate connections to the school. It's unlike him to just spout off a bunch of bullshite without some basis. That type of move is generally bad for business if you turn out to be dead wrong.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:28 pm to BreakawayZou83
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The inherent value to ESPN is that if those programs somehow manage to wrangle their way out of the ACC grant of rights, they could end up in the B1G with Fox.
How many ACC programs are they going to take? Maybe 2 ACC programs present enough value to FOX, NBC, and CBS to put in the B1G contract.
If there are 12 ACC teams left, good luck winning that GOR battle in court. The GOR that all these programs agreed to by the way.
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potentially, anti-trust litigation.
What is the threat here?
ESPN would be under far greater threat of an antitrust suit if they colluded with the SEC to fold the GOR so they could move the top ACC programs to the SEC.
A grant of rights is not an uncommon agreement, so it would take a monumental decision to deem a GOR is a violation of antitrust laws.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:30 pm to BreakawayZou83
The fact that he ended up relegated to writing for a site like Tigernet should tell you something, though. Even their own sane fans despise that site's existence bc they find it embarrassing. Just don't put a whole lot of stock into anything that comes from anyone over there, both employees and especially fans. That place might possibly be even more toxic than tRant.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:36 pm to Carolina_Girl
Omg. It’s Carolina girl on tRant.
Welcome back to the suck.
Now go get your Clemson boys.
Welcome back to the suck.
Now go get your Clemson boys.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:39 pm to BreakawayZou83
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There is a zero percent chance that Kansas State ends up in the SEC. Less than 1% chance that Oklahoma State or Louisville get invites. Less than a 2% chance that Kansas gets an invite
The most attractive available additions for the SEC (excluding ND) I would think are the following, in order:
Clemson
Florida St
N. Carolina
Virginia Tech
NC State
Miami
Virginia
West Virginia
Georgia Tech
Duke
Kansas
TCU
Oklahoma St
Baylor
Texas Tech
Kansas St
Louisville
Wake Forest
The vast majority of those don’t add enough value, but I believe the SEC would want to stick within that geographic footprint and would never look outside those states unless for some reason Notre Dame suddenly had interest in joining.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:49 pm to Carolina_Girl
quote:it's certainly a notch or 72 below the average IQ of this asylum
That place might possibly be even more toxic than tRant.
Jabba the Hood was putting out a some *hope pron* for their resident orangenecks who have nothing to talk about from the end of bowl season until August. he clearly stated is his 'video' he has no inside information as to anything that might happen to the ACC.
we all know UNCCH will do nothing without their Frankenbride Duke sewn at the hip to them - and Hood omitted Duke as part of his supposed "6" schools trying to get out of their death knell media GoR.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 1:54 pm to Carolina_Girl
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The fact that he ended up relegated to writing for a site like Tigernet should tell you something, though. Even their own sane fans despise that site's existence bc they find it embarrassing. Just don't put a whole lot of stock into anything that comes from anyone over there, both employees and especially fans. That place might possibly be even more toxic than tRant.
I don't, but I do put some stock in this:
Florida State, Clemson unhappy with ACC: Financial hurdles face conference powers potentially leaving
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On Friday, Florida State was the first to make its unhappiness with the current state of the ACC known; more specifically, the powers-that-be pointed to the financial gap that is growing between itself and schools in other conferences. The board of trustees held a meeting where, according to the Tampa Bay Times, Florida State athletic director Michael Alford voiced his concern over the ACC and its future in the changing college athletics landscape.
"At the end of the day for Florida State to compete nationally, something has to change moving forward," Alford said.
Later in the day, Clemson athletic director Graham Neff joined Alford in voicing his displeasure with the current state of the ACC's finances, according to the Charleston Post and Courier.
"In all candor, I put it as a need," he said. "We certainly recognize the investment that we've continued to make as an institution, in our community, in athletics, namely in football, which certainly drives a lot of value that is important from a television and revenue-generation standpoint. Is it time revenue distribution within conferences, or at least the ACC, is done differently? Yeah, I've been very active in those conversations within the league and continue to expect to take a leadership role in our desire for that to be a changed circumstance. Urgently."
Let's dive a little deeper into the issues surrounding the ACC and take a look at why you may not see Florida State and Clemson find a new home in the near future.
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"At the end of the day, if something's not done, we cannot be $30 million behind every year compared to our peers," Alford said.
Does Florida State or any ACC power actually have options? Revenue gap concerns threaten to split league
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The best way to get out of a grant of rights? There isn't an easy one with that much term left on the deal. It would likely take a protracted legal battle that could cost at least three times the exit fee on its own.
"We have a very good handle on the grant of rights," FSU trustees chair Peter Collins told Warchant.com this week.
Posted on 4/28/23 at 2:20 pm to AUTiger789
I agree with this statement. People that claim conference have tried this before and failed are comparing apples to oranges. the sec(espn) and big(fox) aren't creating new mega conferences, they're creating a new division
Posted on 4/28/23 at 2:20 pm to BreakawayZou83
You know the first article is from February, correct? And the 2nd from the beginning of March that was parroting what was said in the article from February.
This "smoke" is recycled.
This "smoke" is recycled.
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