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Looking for insight on Heupel: Offense looks strong. Is defense & personality the issue?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:15 am
I'll be the first to admit I'm not thrilled with the hire, but it looks like the guy has a good head on his shoulders offensively.
Total offense nationally:
As a head coach @ UCF:
2020: #2
2019: #2
2018: #5
As a OC @ Missouri:
2017: #8
2016: #13
Total scoring offense nationally
UCF:
2020: #8
2019: #5
2018: #6
Missouri:
2017: #14
2016: #48
His offensive production looks pretty damn strong. I'm actually intrigued what he can do with Harrison Bailey at QB. But what are the perceived negatives with him overall for somebody who knows nothing about this guy? Not a players coach? Shitty personality? Bad recruiter? All of the above?
Total offense nationally:
As a head coach @ UCF:
2020: #2
2019: #2
2018: #5
As a OC @ Missouri:
2017: #8
2016: #13
Total scoring offense nationally
UCF:
2020: #8
2019: #5
2018: #6
Missouri:
2017: #14
2016: #48
His offensive production looks pretty damn strong. I'm actually intrigued what he can do with Harrison Bailey at QB. But what are the perceived negatives with him overall for somebody who knows nothing about this guy? Not a players coach? Shitty personality? Bad recruiter? All of the above?
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:17 am to TRUERockyTop
Recruiting 
In three years it will be a barren wasteland.
In three years it will be a barren wasteland.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:17 am to TRUERockyTop
123rd in total D is a little bit of a concern.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:25 am to OrangeEmpire
I figured as much. Being able to hold onto Steele, Gardner, and maybe Ansley and Graham would be a big win.
I love having to dig for hypothetical positives
I love having to dig for hypothetical positives
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:26 am to OrangeEmpire
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In three years it will be a barren wasteland.
Ummm...I honestly don’t think it can get worse.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:29 am to TRUERockyTop
He's not well liked by his players. Certainly not a guy they're going to run through a brick wall for. Think Mark Mangino....
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:30 am to Eli Goldfinger
Give it three recruiting cycles.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:31 am to TRUERockyTop
And ability
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:33 am to SOBMarcus
Is Derek Dooley available?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:33 am to Hback
quote:
123rd in total D is a little bit of a concern.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:46 am to CharlotteSooner
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He's not well liked by his players. Certainly not a guy they're going to run through a brick wall for. Think Mark Mangino....
He looks like he doesn't even like himself :/
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:47 am to CharlotteSooner
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He's not well liked by his players. Certainly not a guy they're going to run through a brick wall for. Think Mark Mangino....
Do you know WTF i would do for Tennessee to have the Success Kansas did during the Mangino years? This guy is kinda like mangino in the fact that he appears to eat exclusively mayonnaise sandwiches and puts extra sugar in his coca colas but i doubt he can squeeze the success out of our depleted arse roster that Mangino did out of Kansas.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:57 am to Hback
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123rd in total D is a little bit of a concern.
2019 32nd
The O is by design fast paced HUNH with 90 offensive snaps. This leads to a bunch of shootouts.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:10 am to TRUERockyTop
Heupal needs a strong armed, accurate QB to make his offense work. At Mizzou he had Drew Lock. At UCF he had the kid that suffered a nasty leg injury, but before that was great.
Heupal can recruit QB talent, but we don't know if he can develop. He doesn't teach a traditional read system to his QB. It's more throw it where the play is called. They also move very fast. Our offense had more possessions than anyone in the country. But even with Locks talent, most possessions ended in 3 and out and forced the defense right back out. They were dead by the 4th quarter.
Odom found Heupal on the scrap heap at Utah State not too long ago. He couldn't make his offense work at OU, with the best talent in the Big 12 and with no one playing defense. My take is, give him a NFL caliber QB, and he's aces. Anything less, he is below average. But maybe he has learned some new tricks.
Everybody laughed at Mizzou hiring Drink, so no one knows shite about how things will work out. Good Luck.
Heupal can recruit QB talent, but we don't know if he can develop. He doesn't teach a traditional read system to his QB. It's more throw it where the play is called. They also move very fast. Our offense had more possessions than anyone in the country. But even with Locks talent, most possessions ended in 3 and out and forced the defense right back out. They were dead by the 4th quarter.
Odom found Heupal on the scrap heap at Utah State not too long ago. He couldn't make his offense work at OU, with the best talent in the Big 12 and with no one playing defense. My take is, give him a NFL caliber QB, and he's aces. Anything less, he is below average. But maybe he has learned some new tricks.
Everybody laughed at Mizzou hiring Drink, so no one knows shite about how things will work out. Good Luck.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:15 am to TRUERockyTop
He’s a trash human being. Has the personality of a potato and is an absolute prick.
With his offense you will get a lot of 22 second 3 and outs. 1 WR go routes that are either sacks or throw aways.
It’s a HORRENDOUS hire. Don’t spend one second trying to spin it.
With his offense you will get a lot of 22 second 3 and outs. 1 WR go routes that are either sacks or throw aways.
It’s a HORRENDOUS hire. Don’t spend one second trying to spin it.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:17 am to OrangeEmpire
quote:Optimistic that he gets three years TBQH
In three years
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:24 am to themicah85
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He's not well liked by his players. Certainly not a guy they're going to run through a brick wall for. Think Mark Mangino....
Do you know WTF i would do for Tennessee to have the Success Kansas did during the Mangino years?
You mean year...singular...right?
Because if you're talking about years, Butch's back-to-back 9-4 seasons were better than anything Mangino did in eight years other than the single 12-1 season. You guys cut Butch loose after just one bad season following 9-4 and 9-4. Those were better than all of Mangino's seasons except for one.
2002 Kansas 2–10
2003 Kansas 6–7
2004 Kansas 4–7
2005 Kansas 7–5
2006 Kansas 6–6
2007 Kansas 12–1
2008 Kansas 8–5
2009 Kansas 5–7
This post was edited on 1/27/21 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:33 am to surgicalvenom
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Everybody laughed at Mizzou hiring Drink, so no one knows shite about how things will work out
Actually I had Drink as the best hire in that cycle and stand by it. I had Leach as the worst and stand by that too.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:36 am to CharlotteSooner
He looks more like this Mangino now days
Posted on 1/27/21 at 11:43 am to LouisvilleKat
How doesn’t he?
The sanction era clearly is his time.
The sanction era clearly is his time.
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