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re: Lack of Defense in the SEC

Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:36 am to
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:36 am to
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Problem is those players that have the blazing speed and size to play corner and safety end up playing WR.


They've always been on offense.The one's who couldn't catch were switched over to defense.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
7741 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:40 am to
For the Arkansas vs UF game, Florida really just played through the roof offensively. Our defense had a couple of busted coverages, but all in all played pretty well.

It's weird to say that after allowing 60+ but for the most part we had pretty good coverage, Trask was just putting the ball in the perfect spot and the receivers made every play they had a chance to make.

Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:44 am to
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The defenses aren't worse. The offenses are just that good. 2018-2020 Alabama, 2019 LSU, and 2020 Florida are some of the best offenses the sport has ever seen.


While you are right about those offenses, your argument falls apart when those same teams give up a buttload of yards and points to the likes of ole miss, state, arky, etc.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 10:17 am to
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It's weird to say that after allowing 60+ but for the most part we had pretty good coverage, Trask was just putting the ball in the perfect spot and the receivers made every play they had a chance to make


Don't know about although your corners weren't too bad, the LB's and safeties were getting torched and that was with 7 and sometimes 8 guys in coverage.For some reason , Kirby and Odom didn't want to pressure Franks and it didn't exactly pay off...we did put a little more pressure on em in the 2nd half too little to late though.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
12100 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 10:37 am to
UK's defense was the only SEC defense in the top 20 in scoring defense (until yesterday). Then we got lit up by Vandy.
Interceptions is the key to stopping the pinball game. Pash rush and good DBs. As others have pointed out the rules changes have hurt defenses too. I am seeing a lot of questionable pass interference calls being made that would not have been called 10 years ago.

Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 10:43 am to
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I am seeing a lot of questionable pass interference calls being made that would not have been called 10 years ago.


That and minimal holding calls between the tackles.Its just the opposite in the NFL and not coincidentally,their scoring seems to be lower.
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
3728 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 10:46 am to
Defense also thrives on having the 12th man to disrupt the offense. With no fans it’s easy for the offense to audible into the right play. Also every rule change in the last few years favors the offense. Every time I see a big hit I expect a flag to be thrown.
Posted by thatguy45
Your alter's mom's basement
Member since Sep 2017
18881 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 10:49 am to
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The offenses are just that good.

Have you seen our offense?
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
7741 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 10:57 am to
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Don't know about although your corners weren't too bad, the LB's and safeties were getting torched and that was with 7 and sometimes 8 guys in coverage.



LBs could've gotten deeper in their zones a couple times but I don't think torched is the right way to characterize it. Trask was finding the holes and putting the right amount of height on passes to get in between zones.

The safeties getting beat (really Foucha, specifically) had more to do with Trask having enough time to manipulate zones and find the right guy. Catalon played well I thought. Had a really good pass breakup in the endzone, and an INT. He did have a TD thrown on him in man coverage but he was in good position and I believe the UF receiver got away with a push off.

Another TD thrown on Catalon was zone I believe where he recovered well and without a really good throw it probably ends up being an incompletion
This post was edited on 11/15/20 at 11:01 am
Posted by Stacker
Member since Dec 2019
283 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 11:06 am to
I think a lot of it starts at the younger ages. These days all the best athletes want to play offense more so IMO. Then with the 7 on 7 stuff.. everything is just really predicated towards offense culturally.

Then throw in the rule changes over the past 10 plus years? All of it favors the offense.

And I've no doubt on top of all that )and because of all that) offenses are really evolving.

I'm sorry, but when you see traditionally good SEC programs giving up numbers like they are this year? Pretty eye opening.

Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 12:49 pm to
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Was there some big rule change I missed?

While the rules help, an offensive revolution has been coming to this point for the past 40 years. Go look at the all-time Yard/TD passing leaders in CFB. Most are after the year 2000. What happened before that time? Most teams leading up to the early 80s lined up in some bunched run formation like the T, I or Wishbone and just ran down your throats. Coaches up to that point thought of passing as feminine and quoted the ol "3 things happen when you throw the ball and only 1 is good" Passing was something they did out of necessity in long yardage situations or as a play action/trick play and since they didn't rep it as much as their running game they weren't very good at it. Pass percentages back then were horrible, if you got over 50% you were considered "elite". Hell, the great Joe Namath hovered around 50% for his career, Terry Bradshaw 52%.
Guys like Bill Walsh, Don "Air" Coryell, Mouse Davis, Lavell Edwards and Hal Mumme came along and made more of an emphasis on the passing game with their passing systems and percentages started to rise. Needless to say, even with their success in the beginning other coaches were hesitant to do what they were doing. You hear stories of these guys giving clinics early in their careers and coaches getting up and walking out en masse as they were talking. They wanted no part of what they were teaching. Coaching isn't a stable occupation and they saw too much risk in throwing the ball to win.
Walsh would go on to build a dynasty with a weak armed QB named Montana at SF, and once he did his coaching tree would spread through the NFL. Look at CFB, the Big 12 was a LOS slugfest before Leach went to OU with a transfer QB and they went on to win the NC running his offense after he left for Tech. The numbers speak for themselves, 5 of the top 11 all time passers in CFB are Air Raid QBs, 2 of them are Run and Shoot QBs and 1 a BYU QB.
Coaches like Urban Meyer and Sean Peyton have been to Mumme clinics. Mullen is rumored to have gotten with Leach to discuss his concepts. You keep it simple for the offense while making it complicated for the defense and see who plays faster late in the game.
Coach Darrell Royal once said "A thinking player is a slow player, and you can take that to the bank"

Defenses are still fast/talented, they're just being overloaded with information and out repped by today's offenses. Paralysis by analysis as they say.
"I don't fear the man who practices 1,000 kicks 1 time, I fear the man who practices 1 kick a thousand times." -Bruce Lee
Troy Aikman once boasted that he and Michael Irvin could go outside right now and he could hit Michael with the ball with both of them being blindfolded.

Patterson, Muschamp, Mason, Odom, Pruit, Strong, Pelini. All top DC names recently. All of their defenses being taken to school. Better get on the bus and get a good Offensive guy as your HC, because with scoring and QB efficiency at an all time high, it may be a while before defenses catch up.






Posted by MizzouTrue
Member since Jun 2016
3841 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 1:34 pm to
Same thing happened in the NFL this year

But I think college defenses are having an even harder time adjusting to this weird offseason with no real practices
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 2:11 pm to
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The only thing that has changed is NEEDING an elite defense to win big


What? Ya still need defence to win a NC.

Bama and Clemson were both #1 in total defense in '17 and ''18 and LSU was elite towards the end of '19 and had top tier talent (6 drafted including two #1's)
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 2:13 pm to
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But I think college defenses are having an even harder time adjusting to this weird offseason with no real practices

Coaches always say in camp that the defenses are always ahead of the offenses.
Plus we are halfway through the season and no improvement is anywhere to be seen so I cant go with this excuse anymore. Offenses have clearly surpassed Defenses as a whole, Nationwide.
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