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Lack of Defense in the SEC

Posted on 11/15/20 at 6:42 am
Posted by Allthatfades
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2014
6662 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 6:42 am
There were three SEC games yesterday. 63-35, 59-42, and 38-35. And it’s not just the bottom feeders. Bama, LSU, Fla are nowhere near what they were defensively a few years ago. It’s getting borderline ridiculous. Forget becoming the Big 12, we are seeing Arena type scores. Was there some big rule change I missed? What’s caused the defenses to get this bad?
Posted by atomic31
Member since Aug 2018
1450 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 6:49 am to
The defenses aren't worse. The offenses are just that good. 2018-2020 Alabama, 2019 LSU, and 2020 Florida are some of the best offenses the sport has ever seen. The only thing that has changed is NEEDING an elite defense to win big.
Posted by Para312
Wetumpka, AL
Member since Oct 2007
129 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 6:58 am to
I think one of the factors is defense has to play together more than offenses (All 11 have to do their thing) so are more effected by the reduced practices. Individual effort can certainly make plays on D but it is usually in pass rushes or coverage. The team factors seem to be returning experience and an existing scheme. Squads that have both are generally doing the best where those with the least are doing the worst.

Don't get me wrong, the offenses are just much better than they were years ago but I think the defensive fall off we've seen this seen isn't just because of that.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 7:06 am to
Rule changes, offenses evolving and more teams using the pass over the past 20 years has come to this. You can thank Bill Walsh, Mouse Davis, Don Coryell, lavell Edwards and Hal Mumme for the game youre watching today.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25151 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 7:29 am to
As I said in another thread, the week before Arkansas, and we got torched by Florida I admit, held the Vols to 13 points total and shut them out in the second half.

It is a question of how well you match up. We matched up well with the Vols. We matched up very poorly with Florida.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 7:30 am to
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held the Vols to 13 points


Vols are not a good measuring stick to use here. QB is bad and their offensive scheme is very conservative compared to UF
Posted by upstate
Member since Nov 2015
620 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 7:31 am to
Good point. You hear DCs say you are better if all 11 are wrong together than if 1 or 2 guys are wrong by themselves
Posted by Peter167
Member since Mar 2020
6021 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 7:40 am to
Covid also some really good QBs and skill guys

Get used to it. It's where the game is at if u wanna win
This post was edited on 11/15/20 at 7:41 am
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7120 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 7:48 am to
quote:

And it’s not just the bottom feeders. Bama, LSU, Fla are nowhere near what they were defensively a few years ago


uhh, LSU is feeding at the bottom this year. The decline is real. Real damn bad
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 7:50 am to
quote:

Get used to it. It's where the game is at if u wanna win

This
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27288 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:04 am to
quote:

You can thank Bill Walsh, Mouse Davis, Don Coryell, lavell Edwards and Hal Mumme for the game youre watching today.


Sure but rule changes play just as big a factor along with off season 7 on 7's.

You can't practice tackling in the off season but you can practice throwing, catching and timing. WR's and QB's have never been better and more prepared starting the 1st snap of the season.
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11426 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:19 am to
This is the worst year of defense I’ve ever witnessed and I have been critically watching college football for 30 years.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:20 am to
quote:

Sure but rule changes play just as big a factor along with off season 7 on 7's.


Rule changes, offenses evolving and more teams using the pass over the past 20 years has come to this. You can thank Bill Walsh, Mouse Davis, Don Coryell, lavell Edwards and Hal Mumme for the game youre watching today.

I said that
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11426 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:24 am to
quote:

The defenses aren't worse. The offenses are just that good. 2018-2020 Alabama, 2019 LSU, and 2020 Florida are some of the best offenses the sport has ever seen.


I think this year is the worst for defense in my whole life and should have an asterisks in the record books.

Anyway, your statement, at what point do you start to ask if defenses are getting worse? How many years in a row will you claim “some of the best offenses of all time”?
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11426 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:25 am to
And defenses shutting the bed this year , en masse.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:30 am to
quote:

And defenses shutting the bed this year , en masse.

Well, that's the discussion. The offensive evolution that has contributed to it.
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11426 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:34 am to
Overall, yes the offenses have been outpacing defenses in strategy and creativity for the last decade plus, I just wanted to point out the pathetic attempt at defense that is marking this year in particular.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:38 am to
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I just wanted to point out the pathetic attempt at defense that is marking this year in particular.

Short offseason, hands tied by current rules and more teams going to high octane offenses. Before you had 2-3 teams in a conference that ran it, now its the majority. Look at the Big 12 pre Mike Leach and look at it now. That's where the SEC is headed.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27288 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Rule changes, offenses evolving and more teams using the pass over the past 20 years has come to this. You can thank Bill Walsh, Mouse Davis, Don Coryell, lavell Edwards and Hal Mumme for the game youre watching today.

I said that



And let's not forget the expirence factor of the SEC QB's that have lit it up.
Burrow (5th year senior) Mac Jones (R Junior) Trask (5th year senior) It makes a difference and I would hope guys who want to transfer immediately or jump ship, take notice and see what patience and perseverance can do for you.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29445 posts
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:33 am to
It starts in high school. Most high schools are more focused on offensive creativity and the best athletes want to play offense.

Defense has always been at a disadvantage because the offense knows what the want to do. It's more noticeable now because more offenses are spreading the defense out and putting defenders into one-on-one situations where the offensive player has an innate advantage (again, offensive player knows where he's going but the defensive player has to react).

So to have an elite defense you need players that are more talented than the ones on the other side of the ball. Problem is those players that have the blazing speed and size to play corner and safety end up playing WR.
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