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re: Kylin Hill receives key to Columbus, MS
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:35 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:35 pm to SidewalkTiger
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"Wart"
“Not knowing the history of the American civil war”
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"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it."
-Abraham Lincoln
And? He did free the slaves. The South fought a war to maintain slavery. You think you are making a point, but you are not.
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:36 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Doesn't change the fact that the South didn't go to war to simply "preserve Southern slavery."
Simply? Nah but I'd argue mainly though
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:39 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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The South fought a war to maintain slavery.
So produce the quotes you say exist.
I'm waiting.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:44 pm to rockiee
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Simply? Nah but I'd argue mainly though
Preserving Southern slavery wasn't much of an issue.
The South felt it was being under represented and mistreated on a variety of issues despite having 75% of the wealth in America at that time.
The war was about states' rights, to say otherwise is simply ignoring the facts, however to be fair, the biggest right that seemed to be an issue was slavery in new states and territories going forward.
At the end, it all came down to money as most wars do.
People that say the South was fighting to keep its slaves and the "moral North" was rescuing poor blacks in bondage are simply making shite up.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:45 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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And? He did free the slaves. The South fought a war to maintain slavery. You think you are making a point, but you are not.
He did make a point, but it sailed right over your mental capability. If you ask nicely, he might break it down into 2nd grade sentences for you.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:49 pm to TigerScorpion
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And? He did free the slaves.
Plate doesn't understand how the Emancipation Proclamation worked or why Lincoln did it.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:53 pm to SidewalkTiger
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he war was about states' rights, to say otherwise is simply ignoring the facts, however to be fair, the biggest right that seemed to be an issue was slavery in new states and territories going forward.
This is exactly my thought on the whole ordeal. You have some (not saying you) who hide behind the states' rights to ignore the slave discussion and as you already said you can argue its inside the states' right discussion.
Even if Slavery only made up 51% of the issues the South had overall. I still feel very comfortable saying that it was the main issue.
I think you can admit all of this without condemning everyone from the South during that era. A hundred years down the road there are going to be some things that people look back on what we have done and see it has highly immoral.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:55 pm to SidewalkTiger
"and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it."
-Abraham Lincoln
-Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:55 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Plate doesn't understand how the Emancipation Proclamation worked or why Lincoln did it.
Plate wears velcro shoes, because he doesn't understand the correct sequence of tying his shoes.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 4:58 pm to SidewalkTiger
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why Lincoln did it.
Doesn’t matter. It doesn’t change the fact that the south went to war over their desire to keep slavery. You aren’t making a single logical connection. Just spouting random quotes from Lincoln that have no bearing on your assertion that the civil was wasn’t about slavery.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:03 pm to Cdawg
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"and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it."
-Abraham Lincoln
Okay?
"I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this, and many similar declarations, and had never recanted them."
-Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:04 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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Doesn’t matter. It doesn’t change the fact that the south went to war over their desire to keep slavery. You aren’t making a single logical connection. Just spouting random quotes from Lincoln that have no bearing on your assertion that the civil was wasn’t about slavery.
So again, produce the quotes you say exist.
I'm still waiting.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:06 pm to rockiee
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This is exactly my thought on the whole ordeal. You have some (not saying you) who hide behind the states' rights to ignore the slave discussion and as you already said you can argue its inside the states' right discussion.
Even if Slavery only made up 51% of the issues the South had overall. I still feel very comfortable saying that it was the main issue.
I think you can admit all of this without condemning everyone from the South during that era. A hundred years down the road there are going to be some things that people look back on what we have done and see it has highly immoral.
I agree.
The war was about slavery to an extent, mostly the right to have slavery in new states and territories.
People like Plate who insist that the war was simply over "preserving Southern slavery" are just as ignorant as those who insist it was "just about states rights."
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:12 pm to SidewalkTiger
Okay?
"If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel."
-Abraham Lincoln
What you're quoting is typical political talk trying to convince a bunch northerners to go to war over freeing negroes. I can find about any quote from him and use or not use for a slant. It's meaningless without context.
"If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel."
-Abraham Lincoln
What you're quoting is typical political talk trying to convince a bunch northerners to go to war over freeing negroes. I can find about any quote from him and use or not use for a slant. It's meaningless without context.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:18 pm to Cdawg
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What you're quoting is typical political talk trying to convince a bunch northerners to go to war over freeing negroes. I can find about any quote from him and use or not use for a slant. It's meaningless without context.
False, let me see if I can break it down for you.
As your quote above states, Lincoln was 100% against slavery, however he did not believe that it was his right to tell existing states what to do about their existing slaves.
He made this clear again and again.
Once the war started, he did believe that he could free slaves in states that were rebelling against the federal government and on September 22, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary warning that he would order the emancipation of all slaves in any state that did not end its rebellion against the Union by January 1, 1863.
Of course, they didn't end the rebellion so Lincoln had no issue freeing the slaves, this is why the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to Southern states.
However the Emancipation Proclamation was just as much about military strategy as actually freeing the slaves. It was killing two birds with one stone for Lincoln.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:32 pm to SidewalkTiger
Actually, my point was that Abraham Lincoln had to talk out of both sides of his mouth over the issue. You know, be a politician. Appease the abolitionist that got him elected and appease the commoner who didn't give a shite about the negroes. I even think you alluded it.
I think you're getting lost in that I'm choosing a side against you when in actuality, I just pointed out that you initially didn't complete a quote and didn't think about context of the situation of the quote because you're debating someone that just says, "war over slavery."
Other than that, yes, everything about the emancipation you stated about strategy, I agree with.
I think you're getting lost in that I'm choosing a side against you when in actuality, I just pointed out that you initially didn't complete a quote and didn't think about context of the situation of the quote because you're debating someone that just says, "war over slavery."
Other than that, yes, everything about the emancipation you stated about strategy, I agree with.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:48 pm to SidewalkTiger
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However the Emancipation Proclamation was just as much about military strategy as actually freeing the slaves. It was killing two birds with one stone for Lincoln.
Sure, this still doesn’t dispute the primary motivation of the confederacy in the war.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 5:50 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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Sure, this still doesn’t dispute the primary motivation of the confederacy in the war.
Sir, we're all aware from your comments that you know very little about the Civil War and the motivations behind it.
No need to continue doubling down.
Better to keep quiet and have people think you're a fool than to open your mouth and have them know you are.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:36 pm to Cdawg
The attack on Fort Sumter could be ignored.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:47 pm to SidewalkTiger
This is why the rest of the country and world looks at you confederate sympathizers as a joke. Y’all are really in here saying they didn’t fight for the right to keep slavery going, which was key to the southern economy. You can’t be this dumb to say otherwise.
How does it feel to cheer for black guys every Saturday and Sunday before you have to go back to your klan meetings during the weekdays?
How does it feel to cheer for black guys every Saturday and Sunday before you have to go back to your klan meetings during the weekdays?
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