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Kirby gets it It's what scares me too
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:41 am
I'm worried about the love and the passion that our fanbases have for the game going away, and that scares me the most."
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Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:47 am to nicholastiger
I doubt it honestly. People cheer for the uniforms in college. It doesn't matter which players are playing. However, the transfer portal combined with NIL creates an even bigger case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. I think you're going to have a handful of superteams, and then everyone else. It was already kind of like that, but I think now it will be even more so
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 11:49 am
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:52 am to ChromaticTide
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People cheer for the uniforms in college
And since players aren't around for 10-20 years like the stars in other leagues, there is a lot less danger of it becoming a players' league where fans just like certain guys regardless of team. The NBA is that now to an extent, the NFL is on its way.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:57 am to ChromaticTide
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I think you're going to have a handful of superteams, and then everyone else. It was already kind of like that, but I think now it will be even more so
once saban retires I think we'll see a lot more parity. I'm sure bama fans love being reminded of this but saban has essentially killed any semblance of parity in cfb considering a "bama vs the field" bet to win it all every year the last decade wouldn't be a laughable bet. In addition to bama being on a different plane that pretty much everyone else, we've also seen some major powers struggle. Guys like najee harris or bryce...those are guys taht 10 years ago are going to USC no questions asked but now went to bama, simply becuase of saban. if Riley can get USC turned around you'll hopefully have more west coast guys staying for Oregon/USC which can give the pac12 a punchers chance. If miami and FSU can finally get their acts together the ACC will keep some of that FL talent home instead of going elsewhere. Ohio state isn't going anywhere. Texas and OU coming here is going to massively weaken both of their shots (from when they were in the big 12) but it's also going to hurt the SEC's chances as a whole as well considering that's now 2 more non-cupcake games to deal with.
I think the next half decade or so we'll still see the same 4-6 teams in the playoffs we always do but whenever saban hangs it up I think CFB as a whole will see a resurgance since it won't be "bama and everyone else" anymore.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:58 am to ChromaticTide
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doubt it honestly
There is a reason CFB sports fans carry a passion that is different than pro fans.
We see kids attending college, representing their schools and struggling to have a chance to earn a better future, just like the vast majority of all people in life. They play harder, value the team, and respect the coaching like the last vestige of an era gone by. Pro athletes making more than their coaches, free agency, and a general do what I want, I don't need coaching attitude is not what CFB needs.
I can absolutely see CFB fans, not being turned fully off, starting to wane in interest and passion, as the college sports "professionalize."
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:04 pm to Che Boludo
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I can absolutely see CFB fans, not being turned fully off, starting to wane in interest and passion, as the college sports "professionalize."
and you could see it coming a thousand miles away but people wanted to put their head in the sand and ignore it, simply because of revenue reasons. When we let kids freely transfer with zero repercussions and start this NIL crap to pay them they are essentially no long amateur student athletes.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:05 pm to Che Boludo
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There is a reason CFB sports fans carry a passion that is different than pro fans.
We see kids attending college, representing their schools and struggling to have a chance to earn a better future, just like the vast majority of all people in life. They play harder, value the team, and respect the coaching like the last vestige of an era gone by. Pro athletes making more than their coaches, free agency, and a general do what I want, I don't need coaching attitude is not what CFB needs.
I can absolutely see CFB fans, not being turned fully off, starting to wane in interest and passion, as the college sports "professionalize."
This...from a Bama fan, especially, is hysterically funny.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:15 pm to PassingThrough
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hysterically funny
The truth often is
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:32 pm to WG_Dawg
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start this NIL crap
You’re right. It was way better when the players were dirt poor and everyone could profit off of the 18-22 year old player’s names, except for themselves. We should go back to them not being able to be able to afford simple things in life while the universities get rich and all the fat cats get a raise. It’s much more entertaining when the kids stay poor, right?
NIL has been a long time coming. You can’t call yourself a capitalist then bitch about an 18 year old making money off of his own name. Everything will sort itself out in time, it’s what happens in a free market economy. This is all new, and new things scare people.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:35 pm to TrussvilleTide
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players' league
The NBA is that now to an extent
Yep.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:38 pm to Che Boludo
Seriously your beloved team has been "professional" since at least Saban arrived- Bama has been hiring far more "coaches" than allowed and calling them analysts until the NCAA just gave up trying to regulate them, it has certainly been paying players in one way or another for decades, and these players weren't allowed to have a college experience- if they didn't pan out like they were projected to, they were kicked out unceremoniously with scholarships yanked. Actually, Bama's (among other schools) culture of not caring about anyone that couldn't help them on the field is a big reason why the pendulum has swung so sharply the other way, so you have no one to blame except for your own program.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:39 pm to Colonel Ingus
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You’re right. It was way better when the players were dirt poor and everyone could profit off of the 18-22 year old player’s names, except for themselves. We should go back to them not being able to be able to afford simple things in life while the universities get rich and all the fat cats get a raise. It’s much more entertaining when the kids stay poor, right?
Pre NIL players got:
-Free tuition
-Free housing
-Free food
-Free books
-Free clothing
-Free medical care
-Monetary stipend
-Unlimited access to any tutors/academic aides they could dream of
-A televised audition every week to put on their resume for a potential multi-million dollar gig at the next level
-And of course, the recognition as being a football player on campus and all the coed perks that come with it
Players were compensated WELL into the 6 figures taking all that into account but people like you wanna sit there feeling sorry for lil' ol football star who is so wrongly and unfairly treated :(
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NIL has been a long time coming. You can’t call yourself a capitalist then bitch about an 18 year old making money off of his own name.
This is a black and white arrangement.
School: Hey, we want you to play football for us. If you come here we will give you (everythign I just mentioned above). What do you say?
Player: Ok sounds good
End of transaction. If a player at age 18 or 19 is so all-consumed wiht making money above all else they could not play football and begin apprenticing or working in a field that makes them money. No one forced them to play ball. They do it for all the reasons above. And the system somehow, someway worked for a hundred years. And now in just 2 years the game has already changed to such an emormous degree it's barely recognizable. Good job all!
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:41 pm to Colonel Ingus
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players were dirt poor and everyone could profit off of the 18-22 year old player’s names, except for themselves
Ask a country's worth of interns and college grad assistants whose work is often unpaid and either not credited or undercredited, yet it contributes to millions in research grants.
It's part of our society. Put in the work and pay your dues to earn your opportunity. Let alone the majority of these kids are not going to college without athletics.
That is the entire point. It's about an immediate payoff and entitled attitude. That is what will turn the base off.
The institution and high end programs that provide opportunity and exposure are still the drivers for NIL deals more than a kids talent alone.
NIL without free transfer rules would be much more palatable.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:44 pm to PassingThrough
What college athlete at power 5 schools are struggling to make it through college
everything is taken care of for them from academic tutors to cafeteria spreads that caters to the athlete, all of that costs money
Despite what you hear, college athletes are not starving on campus or hurting for anything that they need with the resources schools put into it
The only additional money they should get is enough to fly home in an emergency or over a holiday where their sport is not playing
Or money earned from autographs or something like that or is really wrong if a restaurant owner comps their meal every once in awhile
everything is taken care of for them from academic tutors to cafeteria spreads that caters to the athlete, all of that costs money
Despite what you hear, college athletes are not starving on campus or hurting for anything that they need with the resources schools put into it
The only additional money they should get is enough to fly home in an emergency or over a holiday where their sport is not playing
Or money earned from autographs or something like that or is really wrong if a restaurant owner comps their meal every once in awhile
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:47 pm to nicholastiger
I want to see the best players playing instead of sitting on the bench. In particular, I want to see Stetson Bennett playing for UGA and I want to see what JT Daniels can do somewhere else. I'm a fan of both guys as well as a football fan and a UGA fan.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:47 pm to Colonel Ingus
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You’re right. It was way better when the players were dirt poor and everyone could profit off of the 18-22 year old player’s names, except for themselves. We should go back to them not being able to be able to afford simple things in life while the universities get rich and all the fat cats get a raise. It’s much more entertaining when the kids stay poor, right?
NIL has been a long time coming. You can’t call yourself a capitalist then bitch about an 18 year old making money off of his own name. Everything will sort itself out in time, it’s what happens in a free market economy. This is all new, and new things scare people.
Bull shite… complete bull shite. The “kids” with scholarship to major college team are not “poor.” Their individual benefits run into the $100,000/year.
The only reason they become well known is because they were “paid” a scholarship by a university team. Absent that they would be playing sand lot somewhere. If they excel and make a name for themselves, IT IS BECAUSE THEY WERE PAID TO DO THAT by accepting a scholarship.
Now you want the team member who got the most publicity to get lots of happenstance money when the guy playing next to him lives on his scholarship? Well…the university that sponsored him, the coach that trained him, the team that supported him, the fans that rooted for him all will agree. He will have a chance to make all that extra money…at the next “money” level.. simply because of the chance to audition afforded him by his scholarship.
“Poor underpaid exploited scholarship major college football players”. God, you sound like a woke-ie or a 1939s fist waving union red. Give it a test and consider the result of unlimited pay in CFB. Jeezzzz even the pros have a salary cap…
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:47 pm to PassingThrough
Take a look a CfB history or even the present dynamics. Alabama is not alone in this, and your latching onto it and missing the bigger picture only shows your own bias. Likely nothing will change your view of the narrative you have latched onto, so good day.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:15 pm to Colonel Ingus
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You’re right. It was way better when the players were dirt poor and everyone could profit off of the 18-22 year old player’s names, except for themselves. We should go back to them not being able to be able to afford simple things in life while the universities get rich and all the fat cats get a raise. It’s much more entertaining when the kids stay poor, right?
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:17 pm to nicholastiger
Just being honest - the window is closing for me. 
Posted on 2/21/22 at 2:19 pm to PassingThrough
So Saban and Bama have been cheating by hiring more coaches? Why hasn’t any other school done this…oh wait.
Bama’s been paying players…got any proof outside your own delusional head? Seriously. You think a) any school could get away with it for that long and b) you think Saban has to considering his track record for putting players in the NFL?
And Saban just discards the players he doesn’t need. Can you give me any example of a player who has had negative comments about Saban regarding such? Most of his former players are very respectful of him. Seems like this would have been a scandal at some point.
Typical jealous non-Bama fan…
Bama’s been paying players…got any proof outside your own delusional head? Seriously. You think a) any school could get away with it for that long and b) you think Saban has to considering his track record for putting players in the NFL?
And Saban just discards the players he doesn’t need. Can you give me any example of a player who has had negative comments about Saban regarding such? Most of his former players are very respectful of him. Seems like this would have been a scandal at some point.
Typical jealous non-Bama fan…
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 2:26 pm
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