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re: Kirby and Kiffin on roster depth
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:18 am to Globetrotter747
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:18 am to Globetrotter747
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No one is going to give these guys a big check - or help pay the rent in ten years - for sticking around somewhere if things don’t work out. No one gives a shite about the fate of the talented backup QB who might have shined elsewhere but only saw mop up duty behind a Heisman winner and #1 pick at State U.
I’m not begrudging anyone taking a big check or improving their circumstances, but most transfers aren’t actually doing either of those things. They’re just going to an inferior program for a minimal payday.
People don’t fully appreciate the career benefit of playing 4 years of sports at a major program. Every power 4 school has thousands of alumni who would love to hire that backup qb. I doubt that’s true for the guy who transferred three times and never made an impact or built any relationships anywhere.
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Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:21 am to A10Rebel
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I'd love to know from a pro team, scout, how all this impacts the NFL draft.
I’ve read that there is significant concern with OL and QB having no continuity in coaching.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:59 am to Night Vision
All great teams from prob 1990-2020 would kill teams now...very easily
01 Miami(would have gone 8-4 if they never scored on offensive TD), 05 USC, 95 Nebraska, 19 Tigers, 20 Bama, etc would all smoke common teams by 40+
01 Miami(would have gone 8-4 if they never scored on offensive TD), 05 USC, 95 Nebraska, 19 Tigers, 20 Bama, etc would all smoke common teams by 40+
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:13 am to RollTide1987
Again you mention the NFL. The NFL is a different sport. That’s a habit that SEC fans got in order to beat their chest. We all understand that the south will probably always have a lot of NFL picks because football is king here, but Indiana just won the college national championship and we are talking about the college sport.
And you bring up high school recruiting as some indicator of health when it’s not. High school recruiting became something to watch when Athlon and others realized they could con people out of money. I’ve been a fan since I was about 10 and I never followed recruiting until twenty years or so ago which corresponded to websites and magazines making it a thing ti make money. Now I rarely follow recruiting because I know it’s a manipulation game.
If you want to believe the sport is heading in the wrong direction I can’t convince you otherwise. I just ask that you take off your southern homer goggles and see that the past 30 years of SEC dominance by the bagman had made the sport regional which was very unhealthy. We need teams from all regions of the country winning big games and Natties to keep it going. I hope Oregon, USC, and Penn State win one soon because I don’t want my favorite sport to become NASCAR or hockey.
And you bring up high school recruiting as some indicator of health when it’s not. High school recruiting became something to watch when Athlon and others realized they could con people out of money. I’ve been a fan since I was about 10 and I never followed recruiting until twenty years or so ago which corresponded to websites and magazines making it a thing ti make money. Now I rarely follow recruiting because I know it’s a manipulation game.
If you want to believe the sport is heading in the wrong direction I can’t convince you otherwise. I just ask that you take off your southern homer goggles and see that the past 30 years of SEC dominance by the bagman had made the sport regional which was very unhealthy. We need teams from all regions of the country winning big games and Natties to keep it going. I hope Oregon, USC, and Penn State win one soon because I don’t want my favorite sport to become NASCAR or hockey.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:14 am to Crowknowsbest
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People don’t fully appreciate the career benefit of playing 4 years of sports at a major program.
One of the problems with CFB is schools are forced to sell something (higher education) to athletes who may not be suited for it - or even want it.
Not everyone is college material fit for a classroom, but you can bet that any teenage freak of nature athlete out there who can’t spell his name but can help State U. win a natty is going to be pushed to go anyway when maybe (short of an NFL career) he would be better off in trade school or something else.
The push to win is so extreme that you have a lot of athletes on college campuses who do not really belong there. Hell, some of them don’t even belong outside of a prison.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:21 am to Crowknowsbest
Who the heck cares what the NFL wants. Why are so many of you eaten up by the NFL?
The NFL uses the college sport as a feeder system and yet they don’t pay a dime to support it or the players and you guys fawn over them.
UGA has a very high end college QB right now. He’ll never sniff an NFL field and that’s ok. He’s a great college QB for what his coach wants. Kirby has no care about any future NFL team wants. His job is to win right now because if he he loses the nut job fans will scream for his head. He should simply say he’s not trying to win but rather develop players for a future NFL owner who has never contributed a dime to help the college game and see what the fans say.
The NFL uses the college sport as a feeder system and yet they don’t pay a dime to support it or the players and you guys fawn over them.
UGA has a very high end college QB right now. He’ll never sniff an NFL field and that’s ok. He’s a great college QB for what his coach wants. Kirby has no care about any future NFL team wants. His job is to win right now because if he he loses the nut job fans will scream for his head. He should simply say he’s not trying to win but rather develop players for a future NFL owner who has never contributed a dime to help the college game and see what the fans say.
This post was edited on 5/2/26 at 8:22 am
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:39 am to Gatorbait2008
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All great teams from prob 1990-2020 would kill teams now...very easily
Nonsense.
CFB is a lot more top heavy now. I mentioned in an earlier post that the 1995 AP Top Ten had 14 players selected in the first 100 picks. The 2025 Top Ten just had 18 in the first round alone.
1995 Nebraska had/faced 2 first round draft picks. 2025 Indiana had/faced 14 first rounders. 16 if you count Oregon twice.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:39 am to RunningJacket
CFB fans are just now figuring out that they fund the NFL’s G-league.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:50 am to Globetrotter747
Faced lol...you think SEC teams have not faced 14 first rounders? As for had..they fricking had 1...1...they would get destroyed.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 9:05 am to Gatorbait2008
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Faced lol...you think SEC teams have not faced 14 first rounders? As for had..they fricking had 1...1...they would get destroyed.
Destroyed by who? There’s no reason to think 2025 Indiiana wasn’t a quality national champion compared to the 1990-2020 era.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 10:01 am to Globetrotter747
Some of these guys just live in the past and believe anything form their 20’s or 30’s is the greatest. Kirby Smart was a DB back in the day. I dare say he wouldn’t be much of a DB in today’s game. Not a knock on him as he was a great player for his time, but the reality is players of today are freaking beasts. Sure, you have outliers like Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Champ Bailey who would dominate any era but Indiana would stand toe to toe with a lot of those old teams. The Indiana players just haven’t had the time to get the “NFL stamp of approval” that so many on this board is obsessed with.
Some of the best college players I’ve ever seen never did much in the NFL. And that’s ok because I’m a collge fan first and a NFL 5th.
Some of the best college players I’ve ever seen never did much in the NFL. And that’s ok because I’m a collge fan first and a NFL 5th.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 1:12 pm to RunningJacket
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Who the heck cares what the NFL wants. Why are so many of you eaten up by the NFL?
I’m not. I was just responding to another comment.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 1:46 pm to RunningJacket
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UGA has a very high end college QB right now. He’ll never sniff an NFL field
It was understandable when people said this about Stetson, though he did get drafted.
Compare to a 5 star out of high school who spends two years starting for a school as stacked as UGA, it's a hell of a thing to say "he'll never sniff an NFL field". Gunner has better size and a laser arm, much more so than Stet, who was drafted. Your yellow jacket hatred for UGA has obscured your objectivity.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 1:56 pm to Globetrotter747
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One of the problems with CFB is schools are forced to sell something (higher education) to athletes who may not be suited for it - or even want it.
Not everyone is college material fit for a classroom, but you can bet that any teenage freak of nature athlete out there who can’t spell his name but can help State U. win a natty is going to be pushed to go anyway when maybe (short of an NFL career) he would be better off in trade school or something else.
The push to win is so extreme that you have a lot of athletes on college campuses who do not really belong there. Hell, some of them don’t even belong outside of a prison.
Ok, but there are a lot of athletes that very much do belong in a college classroom, and the ones that chase their athletic ambitions even when it’s clear the pros aren’t a likely path are doing themselves a disservice.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 2:20 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Ok, but there are a lot of athletes that very much do belong in a college classroom, and the ones that chase their athletic ambitions even when it’s clear the pros aren’t a likely path are doing themselves a disservice.
Maybe so. But who should make this choice?
Posted on 5/2/26 at 3:42 pm to Globetrotter747
I’ve said many times I’m a fan of Stockton thru family connections. But he’s not going to play in the NFL. Maybe he does get drafted. So what. Lots of guys get drafted and never make it. I’m rooting for him, but we all see it. Bennett was a better college QB than Stockton and he hasn’t done a thing in the NFL.
And besides, who cares. It’s the NFL. This is college. I don’t care one bit if Haynes King ever plays a down or wins a Super Bowl in the NFL. All I know is he was a solid college QB for my team.
And besides, who cares. It’s the NFL. This is college. I don’t care one bit if Haynes King ever plays a down or wins a Super Bowl in the NFL. All I know is he was a solid college QB for my team.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 3:59 pm to reggierayreb
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Reggie Ragland and Dre Kirkpatrick primarily played Special Teams their freshman seasons at Alabama.
I remember Reuben Foster starting the same way, as a human missile on STs until he got his chance at ILB. Guys like that waiting behind stacked talent is nonexistent now with NIL & the portal.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 4:31 pm to HC87
I bet a lot of players in the past regret their college choice. Coaches and recruiters are liars and thieves- whatever it takes to sign a kid. This is true. Even the coaches of my team are freaking snake oil salesmen and as a fan I don’t care because I simply want my uniform to win the game, But if my kid were a recruit I’d be all over these scumbags.
A lot of these players from the past lost a lot of money by signing with the big boys and sat instead of playing for a mid level team. Players from all levels get drafted which is why so many use the portal now.
A lot of these players from the past lost a lot of money by signing with the big boys and sat instead of playing for a mid level team. Players from all levels get drafted which is why so many use the portal now.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 9:03 pm to Globetrotter747
You think they would stand a chance verse great teams like 01 Miami, 95 Nebraska, 20 Bama, 22 Georgia, LSU 2019, 2005 Texas? They all would fricking blow them out easily....it would be over at half.
This post was edited on 5/2/26 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 5/3/26 at 6:49 am to Gatorbait2008
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You think they would stand a chance verse great teams like 01 Miami, 95 Nebraska, 20 Bama, 22 Georgia, LSU 2019, 2005 Texas? They all would fricking blow them out easily....it would be over at half.
So your point is apparently to pick the best teams over a 27 year period (1995 Nebraska to 2022 UGA) to prove that “NIL/TP teams” over just the last 3 years are inferior due to the system?
First of all, that’s obviously stupid. Generational talents don’t come around every year regardless of the system. 27 years vs. 3 years is a hell of a difference.
Second, no one is saying 2025 Indiana is the GOAT, but they were no slouch either. They had a Heisman winner and #1 pick throwing to another first rounder - and eight selections overall. Indiana went 16-0 and beat 16 first round draft picks.
People here can’t stop jerking off over 1995 Nebraska and they only had one first round draft pick, six selections overall, and faced just one first round pick all year. Even many of the best college players they played - Wuerffel, Hilliard, Anthony, Detmer, Plummer, Carruth, etc. - were not yet at the peak of their collegiate powers. They were all young and returned better in 1996.
There’s nothing subpar about 2025 Indiana’s talent or resume compared to a typical national champion in my lifetime.
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