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re: Kirby and Kiffin on roster depth
Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:03 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:03 am to Crowknowsbest
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Now adversity just means transfer more often than not.
No one is going to give these guys a big check - or help pay the rent in ten years - for sticking around somewhere if things don’t work out. No one gives a shite about the fate of the talented backup QB who might have shined elsewhere but only saw mop up duty behind a Heisman winner and #1 pick at State U.
There’s a difference between “can’t handle adversity” and going where you think you can make the most of your very fleeting opportunity at generational wealth.
I think most fans lean toward the “can’t handle adversity” side because… they… just… don’t… like… NIL and the portal and are bitter about it.
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 7:05 am
Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:12 am to Faurot fodder
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Man those were the days weren't they? Now, instead of us getting to see all these great players sit the bench, we have to watch them play against each other. Sure do miss the old days.....(eyeroll)
The Uber talented underclassmen still played young. Most of the other top talent of the era developed their raw talent into NFL potential, a stronger work ethic, dedication toward team goals, college degrees and grew a bit of humility and school pride along the way. Yes, most of us miss the "old days."
We are in the entitled mercenary age. It is much less fun in many respects from a college sports fan perspective.
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 7:13 am
Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:50 am to Che Boludo
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The Uber talented underclassmen still played young.
Yep. Of the 47 players drafted in the first round during the Nick Saban Era, only six of them redshirted their freshman year. The rest of them either saw significant playing time or started from their true freshman season.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:56 am to Gatorbait2008
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Hoarding talent. Playing keep away from other programs.
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I mean imagine most great teams in the past would have sig more depth.
This probably peaked in the 2018-2021 years when Bama, LSU, Clemson, and UGA had historically great teams consecutively.
In 1995, the year of everyone’s beloved 1995 Nebraska, only 14 players from teams in the final AP top ten poll were selected in the first 100 picks the following spring. Only four were first rounders. The 2019 top ten had 45 players selected in the first 100. A ridiculous 20 were first rounders.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:10 am to Che Boludo
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We are in the entitled mercenary age.
It could be equally said that we are in the age of entitled fans and coaches. After all, they facilitate everything the players are able to do due to an obsession with winning and fat contracts.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:30 am to Globetrotter747
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It could be equally said that we are in the age of entitled fans and coaches. After all, they facilitate everything the players are able to do due to an obsession with winning and fat contracts.
Both sides have a point. Fans and coaches have gotten more entitled in the chase for titles, with massive coach contracts and buyouts proving it. Schools fire guys after a couple mediocre seasons and owe them $20-60+ million to walk away, all because boosters and fans treat every year like a natty-or-bust crisis. That's real.
But the "entitled mercenary" shift with players feels different in kind, not just degree. Pre-NIL/portal, the system was explicitly built around amateurism and some pretense of loyalty to the school and education. Players were "student-athletes," and the product sold itself on regional rivalries, tradition, and kids playing for the name on the front of the jersey. Now it's closer to a semi-pro free agency league where top guys treat programs like one-year gigs for the bag. Portal entries have spiked, NIL collectives act as de facto payrolls, and loyalty is optional. We've seen players flip for bigger deals even after signing big extensions, which creates roster chaos that fans then complain about.
The old system had built-in guardrails (eligibility rules, transfer penalties) that aligned incentives toward team-building and school affinity. NIL + unlimited portal removed many of those, turning athletes into free agents while schools/coaches still bear most of the institutional and fan accountability. It's not symmetrical.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:40 am to RollTide1987
All this arguing is just dumb. Players are the exact same. The rules have changed so players, coaches, and fans always adapt to the rules. Players in the past were stuck so they might as well be what some called “loyal” because there was no other option. If today’s rules were in effect years ago you would have seen similar movement as today. Human nature has not changed.
And I have no issue with a person changing his life by trying to make more money or outright g themselves in a better position. Parents try and out their kids in the best day care or the best magnet school or find a good private school. Does that make them bad people by not being “loyal” to the neighborhood school?
Every team in America will have 11 players on the field for each play this fall. If you aren’t cheering and rooting for your 11 guys then that’s a you issue. The sport is healthier than ever with talented players dispersed over more rosters which draws more interest. Sure, the power teams of today are nothing like the power teams of the past and that is a good thing for the sport while it sucks for a handful of teams who now are mere mortals.
And I have no issue with a person changing his life by trying to make more money or outright g themselves in a better position. Parents try and out their kids in the best day care or the best magnet school or find a good private school. Does that make them bad people by not being “loyal” to the neighborhood school?
Every team in America will have 11 players on the field for each play this fall. If you aren’t cheering and rooting for your 11 guys then that’s a you issue. The sport is healthier than ever with talented players dispersed over more rosters which draws more interest. Sure, the power teams of today are nothing like the power teams of the past and that is a good thing for the sport while it sucks for a handful of teams who now are mere mortals.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:59 am to RunningJacket
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The sport is healthier than ever with talented players dispersed over more rosters which draws more interest.
Except that is not what's happening. Only 75 teams sent players into the NFL via the Draft this past year. That's the fewest teams we have seen since 1938. Talent was actually more evenly spread around in the 1960s and 1970s, back when the NCAA controlled who and who didn't appear on television. NIL is destroying schools with less money and the transfer portal is destroying schools who are not in P4 conferences.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 9:04 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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There was lot of hard work that went into recruiting those guys and developing them in those days.
Yes, buying them Dodge Chargers was exhausting.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 9:08 am to Windy City
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Yes, buying them Dodge Chargers was exhausting.
Ah, yes. Because Derrick Henry is a Top 10 All-Time RB because he got a free Dodge Charger back in 2013.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 9:24 am to Che Boludo
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The Uber talented underclassmen
They were taxi drivers too ???? Wow..college players back in the day were real go-getters !
Posted on 5/1/26 at 9:46 am to Night Vision
I’ve said it on here numerous times, post covid teams wouldnt stack up with pre Covid rosters. Too much depth. The only exception would be a couple of hold outs like uga who took a couple of years to feel effects of transfer portal. Hell I never once thought bob petrino arky was a threat to win a natty. Those arky teams would terrify most of last year’s playoff teams.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 10:31 am to Night Vision
“THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE RIGGED FOR MEEEEE!” -Kirby
Posted on 5/1/26 at 11:30 am to RollTide1987
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Pre-NIL/portal, the system was explicitly built around amateurism and some pretense of loyalty to the school and education.
But not everyone is (or even wants to be) college material and cares about education or getting a degree. However, this has never stopped kids of questionable character and academic standing from being plucked out of the ghetto on the other side of the country and brought to campus to knock the shite out of people for State U.
The loyal student-athlete thing has been bullshite for a long time. Many athletes with NFL potential just want to get to the league by the surest, quickest means possible and just tolerate the college thing, and many coaches just want studs to help them win enough to keep their jobs - even if they can’t spell their names.
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loyalty is optional
There’s no such thing as loyalty without options.
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Now it's closer to a semi-pro free agency league where top guys treat programs like one-year gigs for the bag. Portal entries have spiked, NIL collectives act as de facto payrolls, and loyalty is optional. We've seen players flip for bigger deals even after signing big extensions, which creates roster chaos that fans then complain about.
Unfortunately for the fans, the players have all the leverage. People don’t want to see the Skolnick and Poindexter out on the field throwing the ball around; programs can’t afford to get embarrassed by rivals who play the NIL/TP to its fullest extent; coaching doesn’t mean much without quality talent; and even if CFB folded tomorrow, the NFL would still find a way to get Johnny Fivestar developed and into the league.
Elite players to the fans, coaches, and programs…
This post was edited on 5/1/26 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/1/26 at 4:09 pm to Globetrotter747
Roll,
I hear what you’re saying and less teams having players drafted is an interesting stat but ultimately that’s a so what stat. Why fans bring up the NFL while talking about college football is a poor habit. There are tons of great college players who never see the NFL so draft picks don’t really say much. It’s still better to have more competitive teams than having Bama, UGA, and Ohio St having double digit picks while the next tier has 2.
This thing will work itself out. We are simply at the early stages of NIL so we’ll see a lot of new things the next 10 years. But seeing schools like Indiana, Vandy, SMU, GT, Virginia, Iowa, and others finishing ranked shows that things are changing. And as the player talent continues to be bought and transfer more fanbases will have hope to pull an Indiana. America doesn’t want dynasties, they want competitive games which no longer mean Bama-UGA matchups. The Natty between 2 non SEC schools drew 30 million which was the most in a decade (also non SEC teams). This is why the playoffs are being expanded - simple math. While we all love our southern rivalry games every weekend the rest of the country wants to see their teams as well.
I hear what you’re saying and less teams having players drafted is an interesting stat but ultimately that’s a so what stat. Why fans bring up the NFL while talking about college football is a poor habit. There are tons of great college players who never see the NFL so draft picks don’t really say much. It’s still better to have more competitive teams than having Bama, UGA, and Ohio St having double digit picks while the next tier has 2.
This thing will work itself out. We are simply at the early stages of NIL so we’ll see a lot of new things the next 10 years. But seeing schools like Indiana, Vandy, SMU, GT, Virginia, Iowa, and others finishing ranked shows that things are changing. And as the player talent continues to be bought and transfer more fanbases will have hope to pull an Indiana. America doesn’t want dynasties, they want competitive games which no longer mean Bama-UGA matchups. The Natty between 2 non SEC schools drew 30 million which was the most in a decade (also non SEC teams). This is why the playoffs are being expanded - simple math. While we all love our southern rivalry games every weekend the rest of the country wants to see their teams as well.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 5:44 pm to Faurot fodder
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Man those were the days weren't they? Now, instead of us getting to see all these great players sit the bench, we have to watch them play against each other. Sure do miss the old days.....(eyeroll)
Says you. The talent on your team didn't change one bit.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 7:20 pm to TigerScorpion
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TigerScorpion
Scorpion must translate to retard in coonass lingo.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:03 pm to Faurot fodder
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Scorpion must translate to retard in coonass lingo.
We’ve already established that you’re a 4’4” downs kid that controls multiple alters. Better sit this one out, Rambo-lefty-fodderfag.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 8:10 pm to RunningJacket
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I hear what you’re saying and less teams having players drafted is an interesting stat but ultimately that’s a so what stat. Why fans bring up the NFL while talking about college football is a poor habit.
It really isn't. It's indicative of a trend, especially once you combine it with the fact that 48% of all players taken in the 2026 NFL Draft were transfers. How many of those players would have been playing at Southern Miss, Boise State, Toledo, California, Washington State, Oregon State, etc. all four years had it not been for the portal and NIL?
Look beyond what this is doing to Alabama and start looking at what it's doing to college football as a whole. As an Alabama fan, I can handle not being a dynasty. I did that for the first 20 years of my life. What I care about is the overall health of the sport and I'm just not feeling that right now. How many fans actually talk about recruiting anymore? How many fans actually talk about spring football anymore? Those used to be very big topics of conversation on this board not even five years ago. Now they have gone the way of the Dodo.
Yeah, having a good recruiting class is still preferable to signing a bunch of also rans, but most fans don't care as much about Signing Day anymore because there's no guarantee those blue chippers the team signs in December/February will still be with the team at the end of the next season.
People will argue, "Yeah...well interest has never been higher." Yeah, that's true. Because people like watching something that is novel or different. When a sport dies, viewership is usually the last thing to go.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 9:53 pm to RollTide1987
Just a side note; I read today, of the 10,576 players who entered the transfer portal, 6,846 were still actively looking for a place to land. That's nuts!
So, am I to understand that every single one of these guys has an agent representing them? What's their liability? if that's true, there's something to be said if some agent is whispering in their ear, they can better deal their current college and force a move. And then to what end? 6, 846 guys are sitting on the couch this fall because Spring ball is over. What roster spots are left?
I get that injuries could potentially free up a roster spot but that's still more money that has to go to not only the injured but now a replacement. And there aren't going to be 6,846 injury openings for the positions these guys play. I don't know how anyone keeps this shite straight.
I'd love to know from a pro team, scout, how all this impacts the NFL draft.
So, am I to understand that every single one of these guys has an agent representing them? What's their liability? if that's true, there's something to be said if some agent is whispering in their ear, they can better deal their current college and force a move. And then to what end? 6, 846 guys are sitting on the couch this fall because Spring ball is over. What roster spots are left?
I get that injuries could potentially free up a roster spot but that's still more money that has to go to not only the injured but now a replacement. And there aren't going to be 6,846 injury openings for the positions these guys play. I don't know how anyone keeps this shite straight.
I'd love to know from a pro team, scout, how all this impacts the NFL draft.
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