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re: Just heard an interesting stat on PAPN: Dooley's losses at Tenn
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:19 pm to weremoose
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:19 pm to weremoose
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Houston Nutt was the same way. If he wasn't such an unmitigated dork, he might actually still be here.
There is nothing quite like a Houston Nutt offense. Made Les Miles look like Mike Leach.
Nutt always reminded me of a used car salesman trying to hurry you along cause he was late for a lunch date with his mistress at the Motel 6.
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Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:21 pm to WorkinDawg
He was a pretty good recruiter, though. And an excellent motivator.
I think he had a shot to be a Dabo of sorts. Just get some guys in there to handle the Xs and Os and then don't let your ego get in the way.
But he couldn't let himself do that because he's a dork and deeply insecure.
I think he had a shot to be a Dabo of sorts. Just get some guys in there to handle the Xs and Os and then don't let your ego get in the way.
But he couldn't let himself do that because he's a dork and deeply insecure.
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:24 pm to weremoose
Houston did get his boys to play hard for him. Agree he could've been a Dabo type. But his ego couldn't take it. He ruined himself over Gus Malzan. I'd love to know what went down with those two.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:25 pm to WorkinDawg
Oh man, you and me and the whole state of Arkansas.
There's a not-insignificant cadre of Hogs fans who still want Gus.
There's a not-insignificant cadre of Hogs fans who still want Gus.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:26 pm to weremoose
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The problem with Tennessee is that they leap before they look even moreso than most programs. Better to roll with Dooley and hold out for someone who has proven able to guide a big-boy program, rather than shooting your wad on a dude whose only qualification is one magic season at Cincinnati.
Arkansas should’ve held on to John L Smith instead of hiring Bert
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:30 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Putting aside the difference between one single 10 win season vs multiple conference championships and two BCS bowl appearances.
Putting aside going from #5 to unranked in one week
Putting aside squandering one of the most talented rosters we've had in the modern era vs coming into a relatively depleted squad like Dooley did
John L was a clown, which is precisely my point. Both and Dooley embarrassed the program in the press room in addition to losing.
Putting aside going from #5 to unranked in one week
Putting aside squandering one of the most talented rosters we've had in the modern era vs coming into a relatively depleted squad like Dooley did
John L was a clown, which is precisely my point. Both and Dooley embarrassed the program in the press room in addition to losing.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:39 pm to weremoose
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coming into a relatively depleted squad like Dooley did
Our entire 2012 offense apart from our RB ended up playing in the NFL, and he went winless in conference play.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:41 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Doesn't mean they were willing to put in the work needed to succeed at the college level. It's a different game.
But I'll concede that point. Congrats on refuting one half of one of my four points. Want to take a shot at the rest?
But I'll concede that point. Congrats on refuting one half of one of my four points. Want to take a shot at the rest?
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:47 pm to weremoose
The overarching point is that Tennessee doesn't afford itself the respect it deserves.
Jones was a bullshite hire. So was Pruitt. You don't fire a coach to hire either of those clowns. Not at a program as prestigious as Tennessee (was).
So you take another year of more Ls than you should? So what? As long as he's recruiting at an even passable level and not diddling kids, who cares? Take the time and get it right.
Jones was a bullshite hire. So was Pruitt. You don't fire a coach to hire either of those clowns. Not at a program as prestigious as Tennessee (was).
So you take another year of more Ls than you should? So what? As long as he's recruiting at an even passable level and not diddling kids, who cares? Take the time and get it right.
This post was edited on 9/4/19 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:53 pm to lewis and herschel
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Butch got them ten wins...
Schiano was the DC for the Patriots and was voted the nation's top defensive recruiter one year and Leach would have been better than this and he is used to three star guys.
Leach lost to Portland St in his 4th year at Wazzu. I don’t think he’s trash by any means, but he gets built up to mythical levels because people like his quirkiness.
I still don’t understand why Vols fans hated Schiano so much but were satisfied with Pruitt? It doesn’t make any sense. He had a winning record at Rutgers of all places and was 56-33 after he actually got his program in place there.
Both were successful DCs at the time, so how is the guy with actual Head Coaching success not preferable?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:54 pm to magildachunks
i havent read this thread but people have fact checked this right? cause it isnt true 
Posted on 9/5/19 at 12:05 am to VFL1800FPD
So you’d rather have the status quo than a coach that wins 62% of his games at schools that are considered historically to be on the bottom half of their conference?
Maybe that is Tennessee’s problem?
Maybe that is Tennessee’s problem?
Posted on 9/5/19 at 1:28 am to JesusQuintana
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Leach lost to Portland St in his 4th year at Wazzu.
A Mike Shula-led team also held Ttech to one offensive touchdown while Leach was in his prime. That should have been enough to blacklist Leach from all intergalactic sports.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 6:01 am to magildachunks
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:19 am to VagueMessage
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Dooley got one bowl game in three years, and got progressively worse each season.
Tennessee deserved way better than Dooley. Although Butch definitely underachieved, you could make the argument that he wasn't really all that bad, but not Dooley. Pruitt is looking like he might be even worse than Dooley.
Another thing about Pruitt is that Dooley and Butch both had NFL QBs on their roster in Tyler Bray and Josh Dobbs. Bray was good enough for Tennessee's offense to put up a lot of points so they wouldn't lose against those cupcake opponents. And Dobbs was just a really good college QB period. UT's current QB Guarantano is just awful. Tennessee's offense put up 23 points before the last second touchdown in garbage time. That is just unacceptable. Any SEC starting QB worth their salt would have put up at least a 40-burger against a team like GA State.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 7:45 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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I don’t care to get into an argument with you about it. No one gives a frick about UT. It’s why you can’t get anyone worth a shite and why Fulmer has always been around.
Fulmer hasn’t been around til recently. He wanted nothing to do with UT for awhile after he was fired. The Haslams are the cancer there.
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UT ceases to exist without the Haslam’s money.
lol, what? That’s just stupid.
This post was edited on 9/5/19 at 7:47 am
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:18 am to magildachunks
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Derek Dooley, every year at Tennessee, only lost to ranked teams, and one unranked.
Exactly right. He was able to pull out an OT win over a UAB team that finished 4-8 in 2010, and only lost by 7 to a Kentucky team starting a Wide Receiver at QB.
Impressive...
Posted on 9/5/19 at 8:41 am to MaroonNation
Kentucky's offensive numbers while Leach was OC:
1997- 31.6 PPG (26.5 PPG vs SEC). 25th best out of 112 D1A teams.
365.4 YPG.
1998- 35.8 PPG (33.25 PPG vs SEC). 11th best out of 112 D1A teams.
412.2 YPG.
And that was back when the SEC-E arguably the better half of the conference. UK's SOS in 1997: 18th/112. UK's SOS in 1998: 31st/112.
1997- 31.6 PPG (26.5 PPG vs SEC). 25th best out of 112 D1A teams.
365.4 YPG.
1998- 35.8 PPG (33.25 PPG vs SEC). 11th best out of 112 D1A teams.
412.2 YPG.
And that was back when the SEC-E arguably the better half of the conference. UK's SOS in 1997: 18th/112. UK's SOS in 1998: 31st/112.
This post was edited on 9/5/19 at 8:49 am
Posted on 9/5/19 at 9:38 am to magildachunks
I am in awe that internet users itt are arguing for coaches like Dooley and Schiano. We are living in a troll world.
Posted on 9/5/19 at 10:02 am to Robert Goulet
Schiano would have been a better hire than Pruitt.
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