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re: Jimbo Fisher or Les Miles
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:38 am to GatorOnAnIsland
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:38 am to GatorOnAnIsland
I still don't understand how Fisher went 5-6 at FSU playing in that weak conference. Les may have had his faults but he never won fewer than 8 at LSU in a much tougher league
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:32 am to sonuvapitcher
I think Les would do more at A&M than Jimbo has done. Jimbo has a fake it till you make it car salesman vibe. Les is dumbfounding at times but is fearless.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:43 am to sonuvapitcher
This post sucks!
It’s like picking between a pair of Twin Tex Mex whores, one with syphyllis and the other with gonorrhea — They both are overpaid skanks
It’s like picking between a pair of Twin Tex Mex whores, one with syphyllis and the other with gonorrhea — They both are overpaid skanks
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:45 am to spslayto
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I still don't understand how Fisher went 5-6 at FSU playing in that weak conference.
Lost their starting QB in the first game against Bama
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:46 am to sonuvapitcher
People on here act like Les was a bad coach from start to finish. Les started in one era, and finished in another. Some coaches were able to adapt, but Les did not. Les had his faults but his players loved him and he won games. Bad game management and the stubborness to change were his downfall, but you can't forget that he was still one the best coaches LSU ever had. The so called fans that disrespect him are either not true fans, or are just plain ignorant. Les by a mile over Fisher.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:49 am to sonuvapitcher
They have one thing in common:
Jimbo won't win a NC at Texas A&M. Neither could Les if given the chance. They have that in common with The Bear also.
Jimbo won't win a NC at Texas A&M. Neither could Les if given the chance. They have that in common with The Bear also.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:02 am to TigerScorpion
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The so called fans that disrespect him are either not true fans, or are just plain ignorant.
Do you have a masochism complex? You want us to respect a scumbag who made away with countless unearned millions after holding us back for a decade then took a typical low blow at CEO who was cleaning up his mess? LSU should sue him for impersonation of a FB coach. LINK /
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Les by a mile over Fisher.
Fisher has a 14-0 national championship season; his offenses were routinely very effective. Miles has the only NC in history that came with two losses in the regular season (could've easily been more), and his offenses consistently ranked near the bottom nationally. Piles won by having more talent than other teams
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:50 am to Mithridates6
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countless unearned millions
Scumbag?
So, you're going to fault a man for taking what was in his contract to take? I guess you give your tax returns back to the IRS at the end of the year.
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Fisher has a 14-0 national championship season; his offenses were routinely very effective. Miles has the only NC in history that came with two losses in the regular season (could've easily been more), and his offenses consistently ranked near the bottom nationally. Piles won by having more talent than other teams
So, what you're saying is that, even after winning a national championship, he wasn't able to recruit at a level to remain above .500 year to year, in a lot weaker conference? Or was it that his coaching caused the team to evolve into a sub .500 team?
Also, are you saying that 2007 LSU didn't deserve to win the championship? If not them, then who?
As far as the talent, yes Miles won off of talent. That could be said for a lot of coaches. What can't be said for a lot of coaches is that they can maintain that caliber of talent. Miles did, for the most part. Jimbo didn't and it showed. Miles never had less than 8 wins at LSU. Not many can say that.
You seem like one of those bandwaggon fans that doesn't remember LSU pre Saban. A lot of fans have forgotten that they would have begged for a 9-3 regular season in some of those stretches of years.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:20 pm to sonuvapitcher
I hate to admit it but I take Jimbo Fisher hands down any day over Les Miles
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:55 pm to TigerScorpion
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Scumbag?
No, I provided the link of him taking a typical Class-Les shot at Coach O. Not getting into him oversigning players, throwing JJ under the bus, letting the team vote to reinstate Jeremy Hill who violated his probation by sucker punching someone, etc. We have upgraded tremendously not just on the field but in character from low-life Les
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So, what you're saying is that, even after winning a national championship, he wasn't able to recruit at a level to remain above .500 year to year, in a lot weaker conference? Or was it that his coaching caused the team to evolve into a sub .500 team?
2017 FSU lost their starting QB in the first game to Bama. From 2010-2016 they won 10+ games every season except for 2011
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As far as the talent, yes Miles won off of talent. That could be said for a lot of coaches. What can't be said for a lot of coaches is that they can maintain that caliber of talent. Miles did, for the most part. Jimbo didn't and it showed. Miles never had less than 8 wins at LSU. Not many can say that.
Any buffoon could've won that many games with the talent advantage he had over almost anyone. His teams usually looked undisciplined and unprepared and needed miracle comebacks at the end, a reflection of their Clue-Les coach. There's a good reason Bama wanted us to keep the idiot and why only Kansas wanted him
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You seem like one of those bandwaggon fans that doesn't remember LSU pre Saban. A lot of fans have forgotten that they would have begged for a 9-3 regular season in some of those stretches of years.
It's "bandwagon" jfc, you are as dense as your hero, Elmer Fudd. I remember going 4-7 and 3-8 very well, that doesn't mean we should accept underachieving now; is such a loser mentality, and why we kept Piles for years when we should've been real competition for Bama. We've gone from Less to mOre and are done with accepting Miles and mediocrity
Posted on 6/26/20 at 4:11 pm to sonuvapitcher
Give me Les at least he isn't a cuck and can keep a woman.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:12 am to Mithridates6
I actually agree with a lot of this. But I definitely think Les was a big improvement over the pre Saban era. Also, head to head, Jimbo would not be an improvement. Jimbo had what Dabo has, now. A decent team in shite conference. If he had that team in the SEC during that run, his record would be different. And losing a QB does not excuse going sub .500 in that conference. Les lost a QB and still won 8 games in the sec. That's the difference.
But I definitely think Les was a big improvement over the pre Saban era. Also, head to head, Jimbo would not be an improvement. Jimbo had what Dabo has, now. A decent team in shite conference. If he had that team in the SEC during that run, his record would be different. And losing a QB does not excuse going sub .500 in that conference. Les lost a QB and still won 8 games in the sec. That's the difference.Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:24 am to TigerScorpion
Game day coaching—-Jimbo
Recruiting / Program —-Les
Not sure which is more important, but Les clearly did a better job recruiting year in and year out. Not talking about “5 stars”, but talent evaluation and how that translates to a kid becoming productive player. Les was also better at the big picture programatic things ( infrastructure , bells , whistles, etc).
Jimbo either didn’t recruit well at FSU or did a piss poor job of evaluation the talent. He also did a poor job of maintaining stability when bad things happened. Les could have fallen on his face after the Ole Miss clock game, he ended up Going undefeated two seasons later. Even when he “lost control” he still won 8 games.
If I had to pick between the two to run a program for 5 years, it’s Les. If I had to pick one to coach one game it’s Jimbo.
Recruiting / Program —-Les
Not sure which is more important, but Les clearly did a better job recruiting year in and year out. Not talking about “5 stars”, but talent evaluation and how that translates to a kid becoming productive player. Les was also better at the big picture programatic things ( infrastructure , bells , whistles, etc).
Jimbo either didn’t recruit well at FSU or did a piss poor job of evaluation the talent. He also did a poor job of maintaining stability when bad things happened. Les could have fallen on his face after the Ole Miss clock game, he ended up Going undefeated two seasons later. Even when he “lost control” he still won 8 games.
If I had to pick between the two to run a program for 5 years, it’s Les. If I had to pick one to coach one game it’s Jimbo.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:26 am to Mithridates6
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Jimbo by far. Less' NC is the only one I'm aware of with two regular season losses (to Arkansas and Kentucky ffs) and had many more close calls that year. 2013 FSU was dominant until the NC game
Yikes. Not buying this. Let's put Jimbo in the SECW and see how he does for an accurate comparison.
Oh wait...
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