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re: It’s time for teams to stop scheduling Notre Dame
Posted on 12/3/18 at 10:57 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 12/3/18 at 10:57 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Obviously, those teams won their conferences. Again, that’s not why they made it in. What did Mullens say right before the conference champ part? Hint: it was one loss. That’s the reason. Also, you refer to “conference championship games”. I’ve never said those games aren’t important. But their title isn’t. Both TCU and Baylor won the Big 12 in 2014. Nowhere in the committee’s official criteria does it say anything about winning a CCG. It says winning a conference. OSU’s win over Wisconsin wasn’t a differentiator because of it being the Big Ten title game. It was because OSU beat a top-20 team (and, further, by 59 points). OU’s victory over Texas was important because it avenged their loss to Texas. If they just played Texas twice and called it “the second OU-Texas regular season game” the same thing would’ve been accomplished.
Regardless, I’m not exactly sure how we got on this tangent. My original point was ND also had a win over Pitt. And a win over Northwestern. Just because ND’s win over NW was early November and not early December doesn’t mean it’s a better win for Ohio State (not taking into account MOV). I’ll debate this paragraph further since it was the original point and basis of the thread. I think we’re going around in circles on paragraph 1.
Regardless, I’m not exactly sure how we got on this tangent. My original point was ND also had a win over Pitt. And a win over Northwestern. Just because ND’s win over NW was early November and not early December doesn’t mean it’s a better win for Ohio State (not taking into account MOV). I’ll debate this paragraph further since it was the original point and basis of the thread. I think we’re going around in circles on paragraph 1.
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 10:58 am to MizzouTrue
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Norte Dame beat Pittsburgh by 5 points
Clemson murdered them
UCF beat the shite out of Pitt too. 45-14 was the final.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:01 am to Dr RC
ND being independent is just not ideal for the Power 5.
I get the financial reasons, but it is hard to accept they are in because they do not have a final game while GA is out because they had one.
I get the financial reasons, but it is hard to accept they are in because they do not have a final game while GA is out because they had one.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:03 am to higgs_boson
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I get the financial reasons, but it is hard to accept they are in because they do not have a final game while GA is out because they had one
Why do you not say this about Clemson? Why is it not hard to accept they’re in because their final game was against Pitt?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:07 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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Why do you not say this about Clemson? Why is it not hard to accept they’re in because their final game was against Pitt?
I mean, if your argument is they had a weak final game, I agree.
It does not change the fact, that this is not an ideal situation for the power five. What was the upside for GA playing in the SECCG this year?
I always thought ND should go to the BIG, but then they shifted to the ACC for all other sports, right? I would have loved ND v Clemson for the championship ACC game.
We will know if ND deserved to be in the final four soon enough.
I just wish we could have found out this past weekend.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:07 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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That’s the reason.
Nope. I've given you results and the words of every single CFP committed chair, as well as the experts.
You've provided...nothing.
Here you go...again....
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While the Big Ten champs finished No. 6, Mullens said conference championship wins are still "very important" in the eyes of the committee.
"When you look at the history of the playoffs, look at the number of conference champions that are in the playoff," he said. "It's a large percentage, so it carries plenty of weight. But there's other factors, strength of schedule, et cetera, and as we went on in this debate, that conference championship was a key piece for Oklahoma, and it did make a bit of a difference, but those teams were so tightly together, in the end the committee thought that that put Oklahoma at 4..."
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:09 am to BluegrassBelle
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It’s time for teams to stop scheduling Notre Dame
You realize they schedule good opponents right? If Bama and Ohio State can get in without playing a conf title game, why can't ND?
So ND doesn't play a conf title game, and they dont risk a loss. You know what else they don't do? Play an FCS team which is essentially a bye.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:10 am to higgs_boson
I have no problem with independents.
If we had a full playoff with conference champs plus wild cards it wouldn't be an issue.
Take the D3 structure for example
This could easily be applied to FBS with minor tweaks and would be good for the game b/c it would drive interest in SO many more teams and games throughout the year. People keep saying adding playoff teams would kill the regular season but as it is the regular season is pointless for roughly half the FBS (G5s) and for about half of the P5s if you aren't a blue blood.
If you are a blue blood you can lose two games (UGA) or get beat by a 6-6 team by 29 (tOSU) and still be considered for the 4 team playoff which is completely unfair. For non blue blood P5s one loss is enough to ruin you which again makes the rest of the season pointless. Does anyone believe a one loss Iowa State or one loss Washington State would have seriously been considered over UGA or tOSU? I sure don't.
If we had a full playoff with conference champs plus wild cards it wouldn't be an issue.
Take the D3 structure for example
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For 2018: Pool A Automatic bids to go the champions of 26 conferences.
There will be one bid set aside solely for Pool B teams, that is, teams who are independents or in conferences without automatic bids.
The leftover Pool B teams get dumped into Pool C, and those teams get considered for the remaining five bids.
This could easily be applied to FBS with minor tweaks and would be good for the game b/c it would drive interest in SO many more teams and games throughout the year. People keep saying adding playoff teams would kill the regular season but as it is the regular season is pointless for roughly half the FBS (G5s) and for about half of the P5s if you aren't a blue blood.
If you are a blue blood you can lose two games (UGA) or get beat by a 6-6 team by 29 (tOSU) and still be considered for the 4 team playoff which is completely unfair. For non blue blood P5s one loss is enough to ruin you which again makes the rest of the season pointless. Does anyone believe a one loss Iowa State or one loss Washington State would have seriously been considered over UGA or tOSU? I sure don't.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:12 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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No you didn't.
Clemson 42
Pitt 10
Notre Dame 19
Pitt 14
Clemson also barely beat Syracuse while ND smashed them.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:12 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I still wish there was a six team playoff.
Bottom line is we all speculate because the teams rarely get a head to head matchup.
I mean, I don't think we can ever say more than what the best team was on that day. But as someone who likes good football, every year I think about how there would be some great matchups if the top six played each other.
Bottom line is we all speculate because the teams rarely get a head to head matchup.
I mean, I don't think we can ever say more than what the best team was on that day. But as someone who likes good football, every year I think about how there would be some great matchups if the top six played each other.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:14 am to higgs_boson
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I mean, if your argument is they had a weak final game, I agree.
My argument is simply that playing a conference championship game in a vacuum doesn’t matter. The game itself matters as a data point. But not the name of the game or when it’s played. Nobody says Clemson should be out of the playoff, and that’s simply because they played the last week in a game with an official name. But ND beat Pitt, too. There are people arguing that OSU should be in over ND just because they beat Northwestern on Dec. 1. Why is that better than beating Northwestern on Nov. 3? That’s my point.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:14 am to RogerTempleton
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Clemson also barely beat Syracuse while ND smashed them.
Which championship game was that in?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:16 am to Buckeye Fan 19
Your argument is that it should be kept as subjective as possible because that benefits Notre Dame as long as they refuse to join a conference.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:17 am to higgs_boson
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I still wish there was a six team playoff.
Same. P5 and then let Notre Dame compete with the G5 and runners-up.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:18 am to Dr RC
I get why some would want to keep it at four.
But as someone who likes watching good football games, I really would like to see it expanded.
I agree that the current system favors blue bloods as well.
Hell, I am already missing the football season...
But as someone who likes watching good football games, I really would like to see it expanded.
I agree that the current system favors blue bloods as well.
Hell, I am already missing the football season...
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:27 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Which championship game was that in?
Why should a conference championship game be required to get into the playoff?
You guys got into the playoff in 2015 without winning your division or playing in a conference championship game. Now you want it to be a requirement?
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:28 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I hope you all know that even if no games were played at all last weekend, Notre dame was ahead of Georgia anyways in the rankings.
Notre Dame plays a good schedule with considerable more travel than anyone. They play across the nation all year long.
I would never complain about their schedule and if you look at it over time its as tough as any colleges out there.
This dickriding of bama needs to fricking stop. Its embarrassing to the SEC. The whole we played good for a half so we should get this or get that is garbage.
You know what Georgia? you gave up 21 straight points to Alabama anyone can do that. Enough. give some other ngood teams a chance
Notre Dame plays a good schedule with considerable more travel than anyone. They play across the nation all year long.
I would never complain about their schedule and if you look at it over time its as tough as any colleges out there.
This dickriding of bama needs to fricking stop. Its embarrassing to the SEC. The whole we played good for a half so we should get this or get that is garbage.
You know what Georgia? you gave up 21 straight points to Alabama anyone can do that. Enough. give some other ngood teams a chance
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:29 am to RogerTempleton
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Why should a conference championship game be required to get into the playoff?
Who said it should be a requirement?
They aren't equal, and you tried to make that happen. I'm just letting you know where you're wrong.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:34 am to BluegrassBelle
I'd rather play Notre Dame. They're gonna get run through like Charmin. Oklahoma can at least score a bunch of points and make a team sweat.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 11:45 am to BluegrassBelle
What's funny is people in 2018 thinking it is still a big deal to play Notre Dame. 
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