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re: It's been 20 years now since 2003 and the last ever split national championship
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:09 am to LSUTitan99
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:09 am to LSUTitan99
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It wasn’t split. LSU won the national championship GAME
And I’m sure if the situations were reversed and LSU had gotten screwed out of the title game, despite finishing the regular season as the top ranked team by a wide margin, you would be says the same exact thing right? I’m sure there’s no way LSU would claim a share of thistle that year…..
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:10 am to RollTide1987
Yes a system that was set up to determine a national champion. Hence it being the national championship game
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:11 am to boston vol
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you would be says the same exact thing right?
Yes. The only legitimate title claims are and always have been:
1936-1997: Finishing #1 in the AP or UPI/Coaches poll
1998-2013: Winning the BCS National Championship Game
2014-present: Winning the college football playoff.
That’s it. All other title claims are bogus.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:12 am to Frac the world
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the biggest travesty is that OU was even let into the Sugar Bowl after that 35-7 boat racing K State gave them
This came 2 years after Nebraska got boat raced 62-36 by Colorado, who would go on to win the Big 12, but Nebraska still got to play Miami in the Rose Bowl.
I don't think anyone was beating that 2001 Miami team but I think that 2001 Florida team would have put up much more of a fight, but I can't complain too much because Tennessee's upset of them led to LSU's first SEC title in the division era. LSU was not beating Florida in Atlanta
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:14 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Last split title was 1997.
Ah yes, the old "I deny your reality and substitute my own!" strategy. Look, there's no shame in a shared title. shite, my team has several. It's a failure of the system, not the teams involved. Just accept it and move on. Acknowledging that USC won the AP national title in 2003 does not diminish LSU's claim to the BCS title that same year.
I mean, it could be worse. You could be 2004 Auburn.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:15 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Ah yes, the old "I deny your reality and substitute my own!" strategy.
You’re projecting as the reality is the conferences agreed to the system before the season started. What you’re doing reminds me of if someone doesn’t like the outcome of an election and tries to claim the whole thing was bogus and their guy really won. It’s hard to watch. Take your L and move on.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:16 am to RollTide1987
Lsu would've gotten throttled. They could barely score 3 tds against a big 12 D. They would've needed 28 to keep it close in the 4th quarter
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:17 am to bamabaseballsec
Someone didn’t watch the games that year
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:18 am to Draconian Sanctions
You've gotta love when a Bama fan who claims 1941 acts like they're the authority on national titles.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:18 am to bamabaseballsec
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Lsu would've gotten throttled. They could barely score 3 tds against a big 12 D.
2003 Oklahoma had like the 5th ranked scoring defense...
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:19 am to Draconian Sanctions
People are forgetting that the majority of AP voters view USC as media darlings while LSU was some SEC program that hadn’t been successful in quite a time.
They had a few agendas voting the way they did
They had a few agendas voting the way they did
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:20 am to bamabaseballsec
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Lsu would've gotten throttled. They could barely score 3 tds against a big 12 D.
LSU's defense was pretty salty that year. Only 1 team scored over 20 on them and that was Arkansas which we won 55-24 when they scored a garbage time TD in the last couple of minutes.
Would have been a good matchup, a shame we got robbed of it.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:20 am to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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You've gotta love when a Bama fan who claims 1941 acts like they're the authority on national titles.
The problem is they’re starting from the end of not liking the result and working backward to justify what they wish had happened. It’s intellectually dishonest. Everyone knew and agreed to the rules beforehand.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
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The NCAA doesn’t sanction a national champion in division I-A football. Never has. What their website says is meaningless.
Oh, no doubt.
But this is a troll thread so if we're pretending AP titles in the BCS era matter then NCAA recognized champions must matter just as much.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:24 am to RollTide1987
The 2003 NC wasn't "split." USC simply claimed that because they couldn't win the actual BCSNC game which everyone agreed would determine the national champion.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:26 am to boston vol
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And I’m sure if the situations were reversed and LSU had gotten screwed out of the title game, despite finishing the regular season as the top ranked team by a wide margin, you would be says the same exact thing right? I’m sure there’s no way LSU would claim a share of thistle that year…..
Claiming is not actually winning.
Here are the facts:
The BCS Championship game was organized by a group known as the Bowl Championship Series, consisting of the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and Orange Bowl, which sought to match the two highest-ranked teams in a championship game to determine the best team in the country at the end of the season.
The participating teams were determined by averaging the results of the final weekly Coaches' Poll, the AP Poll, the Harris Poll, former players and coaches, and the average of six computer rankings.
Every single conference that had tie ins to the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and Orange Bowl agreed to these terms. Those conferences were the PAC 12, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, & ACC.
Again…. The AP Poll was one of the determining components of determining the BCS Champion.
LSU was THE Champion using all the factors and what everyone agreed to.
USC was #1 in only 1 of 10 factors determine the BCS Championship. That is a lame claim.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:49 am to Draconian Sanctions
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The problem is they’re starting from the end of not liking the result and working backward to justify what they wish had happened. It’s intellectually dishonest. Everyone knew and agreed to the rules beforehand.
No, the problem, as I said, was the system and not the teams involved. The BCS was created to try and unify the two major selectors - the AP and Coaches' Polls - but critically, it did not replace them, and only one of those polls actually agreed to play along. That big crystal football that BCSCG winners received was nothing more than the official Coaches' Poll trophy, while the AP remained free to award theirs to whomever they chose. You can try to argue in retrospect that with the inception of the BCS the AP Poll ceased to be a major selector, but I can tell you that they were still considered to be one at the time.
The CFP has solved this problem by replacing the AP and Coaches' Poll with one of their own, and awarding their own trophy to the winner of the playoff. The Coaches' and AP Polls still exist, and are free to award their trophies to whomever they like, but it seems to be pretty generally accepted that in the playoff era they have ceased to be relevant beyond creating media interest and that the CFP poll is the only one that matters anymore.
This will all become interesting when a team that barely squeaks into the new 12-team playoff gets hot and ends up winning the whole thing. Will the Coaches' and AP Polls be willing to jump a team from 12th to 1st based solely on the results of the playoff? They are not required to. The chance for a split title still technically exists.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:56 am to Frac the world
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USC would’ve waxed arse, t
LSU would have dominated both sides of the line of scrimmage.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:08 am to TheTideMustRoll
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No, the problem, as I said, was the system and not the teams involved.
Flawed or not, it’s what the participants agreed to before the completion. You can’t just throw that out after the fact.
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You can try to argue in retrospect that with the inception of the BCS the AP Poll ceased to be a major selector, but I can tell you that they were still considered to be one at the time.
Yes, the media still claimed the media poll was very important in 2003 when the media still had a huge reach and outsized view of their importance. I vividly remember Jay Marriott on around the horn said he voted the way he did because he wanted to see the Oklahoma and USC mascots together instead of the Tiger at the title game. That was his criteria. This is what you’re arguing for.
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The Coaches' and AP Polls still exist
Sure, as is the Dunkel index and the Tuscaloosa laundromats association and anyone else that wants to put one out.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:10 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:09 am to RollTide1987
which championship game did the condoms win in 2003…
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