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re: It's been 20 years now since 2003 and the last ever split national championship

Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:13 am to
Posted by Tigers0918
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:13 am to
USC has as much of a claim as Auburn 2004 or UCF 2017.

Its pointless, there was an actual national championship game played on the field and LSU won it in 2003. Case closed.

It is as dumb as an NFL team trying to claim a super bowl after not making it to the super bowl.

Shared titles made sense before we had a champ game and playoff, but that changed in 1998.
Posted by El Tigre Grande
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Member since Jan 2006
2655 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:16 am to
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Not according to the AP

So, a bunch of Hebrew sports writers that dont know dick about football decided USC was the better team.
As mentioned, there was a championship game that year.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
10652 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:18 am to
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Flawed or not, it’s what the participants agreed to before the completion. You can’t just throw that out after the fact.


No one is throwing anything out. The participants involved agreed to follow the lead of the BCS and send the two teams that it selected to play each other at the end of the year. This was referred to as the "BCS Championship Game," but critically, the BCS did not award any kind of championship trophy of its own. It relied on the AP and Coaches' Polls to do that. Since only the Coaches' Poll agreed to automatically name the winner of the BCSCG as its champion, only its trophy was awarded to the winner of the game. The AP decided not to do this and to continue to award its trophy to whichever team was voted first by the members of its poll.

You can claim that the AP Poll no longer mattered in the BCS era but in 2003 it was not only still considered a major selector but was in fact considered to be the "senior" of the two, and it was a major embarrassment to the BCS when the AP failed to recognize the champion that the BCS system generated.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:25 am to
The BCS didn’t need its own trophy to add on to the coaches trophy so why would they make one? You are really reaching on that one

And yea is it was a temper tantrum by the AP because they didn’t like how the system worked for very serious reasons (forget strength of schedule, think of the mascots!) in order to undermine the BCS. None of that matters. The conferences agreed to the BCS system to determine the national champion. In 2003 it was LSU. Whether the AP, Grantland, MacArthur, Dunkell, or anyone else awarded another champion is irrelevant and no the AP doesn’t get grandfathered in as a major selector once the participants themselves got together to first determine a champion on the field beginning in 1998. That the media has a megaphone to complain through doesn’t make their poll more important than any of those.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:30 am
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
41433 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:30 am to
The only reason USC was ranked higher than LSU was because LSU lost later.

And it's funny that all these years later people just forget that every talking head said that OU's offense was unstoppable.

LSU won the national championship. USC got a participation trophy.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
10652 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:37 am to
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The BCS didn’t need its own trophy to add on to the coaches trophy so why would they make their own? You are really reaching on that one


If that's true then why does the CFP offer its own trophy? To prevent the very "split championship" discussion we are having right now. Winning the BCS only meant that that team had won the Coaches' Poll. It had nothing to do with the AP. Since AP and Coaches' Poll titles were both considered valid for claiming a championship at the time, a split title for 2003 exists. Is USC's claim shakier than LSU's because they didn't win it on the field? Of course, but the claim is still there.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
41433 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:39 am to
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You can claim that the AP Poll no longer mattered in the BCS era but in 2003 it was not only still considered a major selector but was in fact considered to be the "senior" of the two


So are you saying that every conference in D1 agreed to the BCS plan, just not the authority of its poll?

What the frick was the point then?
Posted by vidtiger23
Member since Feb 2012
9459 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:42 am to
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Lsu would've gotten throttled. They could barely score 3 tds against a big 12 D. They would've needed 28 to keep it close in the 4th quarter

So you’re admitting you know nothing about the 03 season lol. Oklahoma’s D was legit.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
10652 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:43 am to
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So are you saying that every conference in D1 agreed to the BCS plan, just not the authority of its poll?

What the frick was the point then?


The BCS rankings were used only to determine the participants of the championship game (and later the Big 6 bowls). The BCS itself named no official champion. The two poll services still did that.

Your point about the system not making any sense is quite valid, but hey, this is college football we're talking about. "Making sense" is never a guarantee.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:44 am to
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If that's true then why does the CFP offer its own trophy?


Branding

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Winning the BCS only meant that that team had won the Coaches' Poll.


The trophy literally said BCS National Champion on it It was a business arrangement because that trophy had come to represent the national champion as it looked the coolest.

You’re playing semantics because you’re losing the argument. Funny how you’re ignoring 90% of my posts now to harp on this one, irrelevant thing
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 11:46 am
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
15204 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:47 am to
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NCAA.com isn't the official NCAA website.

Read the fine print at the bottom of the site.


I don't see shite on the ncaa.org web site about UCF either, though.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
10652 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:47 am to
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The trophy literally said BCS National Champion on it


It clearly marked itself as the Coaches' trophy, because that's what it was.



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You’re playing semantics because you’re losing the argument. Funny how you’re ignoring 90% of my posts now to harp on this one, irrelevant thing


Your only argument is that the AP Poll shouldn't count because it didn't select the winner of the BCSCG. It wasn't required to. In 2003 an AP Poll championship was still considered a valid title claim. Nothing else you've said matters.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
15204 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:48 am to
If I had to guess, all they did was recognize that someone called them champions.

Which is worth about as much as someone on this site doing that.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36896 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:51 am to
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The trophy literally said BCS National Champion on it It was a business arrangement because that trophy had come to represent the national champion as it looked the coolest.


The marjority of Alabama fans on this site would rather burn an American flag, slap their mom,etc before giving LSU credit for anything positive. Oddly,not IRL,just here.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
61778 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:52 am to
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Everyone agreed to the BCS system before the season started, therefor USC can suck it.

LSU clear champion.


:LSU kige:
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36260 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:52 am to
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Not according to the AP.


Sports journalists?

Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
41433 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:53 am to
Bruh, that picture says "national champion"
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:53 am to
They changed the design several times over the years, that the BCS logo appears below the words national champions and that’s supposed to be some kind of gotcha is hilarious.

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Your only argument is that the AP Poll shouldn't count


I didn’t say it doesn’t count. It counts just as much as MacArthur and grantland rice and all the other polls out there.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:54 am to
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The marjority of Alabama fans on this site would rather burn an American flag, slap their mom,etc before giving LSU credit for anything positive. Oddly,not IRL,just here.


True
Posted by BigNastyTiger417
Member since Nov 2021
5591 posts
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:33 pm to
No, they would not have. LSU stopped Oklahomas powerful offense and Heisman winning QB. LSU would have won by 10-14 points.
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