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re: It's all about the talent.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:34 am to DawginSC
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:34 am to DawginSC
Osu had a 20 million dollar team we had a 11 million dollar team.
Ga Texas also have 20 million dollar teams
If we are going to be competitive we will have to spend the money too.
Great players follow the money.
I see 4 teams that could win it this year
ND Ga Texas and OSU.
No single team really stands out this year.
Wasn’t our year good luck to Texas and Ga
Ga Texas also have 20 million dollar teams
If we are going to be competitive we will have to spend the money too.
Great players follow the money.
I see 4 teams that could win it this year
ND Ga Texas and OSU.
No single team really stands out this year.
Wasn’t our year good luck to Texas and Ga
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:46 am to LSUTigresFan
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think DeBoer is gonna be fine at Alabama. I get these kids at Bama are talented, but that doesn't mean they fit the schemes and culture he wants to have. It took 3 years for Sark to finally get culture right at Texas.
Why would you want to change the “culture” that Saban built at Alabama?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:56 am to makersmark1
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Why would you want to change the “culture” that Saban built at Alabama?
This is a very nuanced question that has its roots in the pandemic. I think starting with the Class of 2021 there were some players in Saban's final classes that were lacking in areas that Saban found essential for team chemistry. The reason why a lot of these guys flew under the radar in that regard was due to the restrictions on in-person scouting during the pandemic.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 4:57 am
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:11 am to DawginSC
So you’re saying Bama should have been in? Got it.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 5:18 am to DawginSC
talent is the hot pan, the fire is recruiting. i think 90% of in-game coaching is "not fricking it up." look at ohio state vs michigan. they lose to a beyond mediocre team because they decided to "not get out physicalled" aka slam their head into a wall. then they play tenner who, in the grand scheme of things are a decent team, and made them look like they're d2. wow maybe you should throw to your 5 star receivers, who knew
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:29 am to RockyRococco
A post like this gets me excited about the close to 80% blue chip ratio BK has right now with our recruiting/transfer class 
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:38 am to geauxcoco
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A post like this gets me excited about the close to 80% blue chip ratio BK has right now with our recruiting/transfer class
LSU still have BK as the HC.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:52 am to DawginSC
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Teams like Mizzou (29), Ole Miss (30), SC (30) and yes Tennessee (41) simply aren't there. They don't have the horses.
Ehhhhhhh.
I see what you're saying, but there's also a fundamental flaw in all of this focus on talent as if it's an objective fundamental- player development and evaluation.
Let's take SC as an example, since they're just a "happy to be there" kinda team. By this blue chip ratio/perspective, Nyck Harbor is a "blue chip." But he really isn't, on the field, because he is still learning how to play wideout.
Conversely, LaNorris Sellers, Nick Emmanwori, and Kyle Kennard are *not* blue chips - despite Sellers being the most dynamic offensive player in the country, Emmanwori being a first-team All American, and Kennard being a Nagurski award winner. All three have been overlooked by recruiting services, but more importantly, they've been properly developed. That doesn't show up in your analysis.
You are not wrong that talent matters. Of course it does. But to suggest SC or Ole Miss doesn't have the horses to be competitive in the playoffs is simply wrong. Both have victories over teams that are actually *in* the playoff - by definition, that's competitive.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:06 am to DawginSC
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In the end... it is all about the talent.
Very well stated.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:09 am to TrueLefty
Yes, who has never had this much talent yet at LSU. Drink is not a better coach than BK 
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:20 am to LSUTigresFan
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A post like this is why we need a serious football sub-forum here.
Hear hear.
These above ratio teams have managed to stack the chips but I wonder if that gets harder as NIL/Portal continues to change the landscape. Does the ratio decrease opening more doors and putting the emphasis elsewhere?
Great post DawginSC.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:27 am to DawginSC
Home teams won.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:18 am to DawginSC
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In the end... it is all about the talent
I made a similar post about this almost two years ago, and the whole topic devolved into "Alabama didn't make the playoffs, stop crying like a little girl" and then the thread got locked.
At the time of that writing (after the 2022 season):
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Based on this data, no team outside of the Top 10 in talent has won a championship, only twice were they outside of the Top 5, and 5-of-8 have been in the Top 2.
With the AQs filling slots in the coming 12-team playoff, what is the realistic probability that any of these "less talented" teams advance to the championship game and actually win it?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:27 am to DawginSC
High Blue chip teams like Ohio State has spent 20 million to build the team. So the only way teams are going to catch up is to match their NIL or spend more. How many teams will actually be able to keep up?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:35 am to Loganville Vols
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So the only way teams are going to catch up is to match their NIL or spend more. How many teams will actually be able to keep up?
It'll have to be through finding exceptional players at the G5 level, and developing them. Ole Miss just signed that monster LB, Andrew Jones, from Grambling. SC had great success with Demetrius Knight and Debo Williams, who were from Charlotte and Delaware, respectively.
P4-P4 transfers are going to be too expensive, and therefore too risky, to use all the time. Look at Juice Wells at Ole Miss.
The teams that want to jump up a rung will have to place a further premium on development and IDing scheme/personnel fits. Much easier said than done, but it's the only place they can compete. Ohio State and UGA aren't taking kids from G5 very often, if at all.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:11 pm to Loganville Vols
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How many teams will actually be able to keep up?
The 32 or so teams that break away and form the superconference.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:58 pm to DawginSC
Yep
Posted on 12/23/24 at 8:15 pm to DawginSC
It’s always been about Jimmy’s and Joes’s
Posted on 12/25/24 at 8:50 am to paperwasp
There only 4 teams right now at $20 million NIL or above. Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia and Texas. How high will it go before it all comes crashing down?
Posted on 12/25/24 at 9:13 am to Loganville Vols
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High Blue chip teams like Ohio State has spent 20 million to build the team. So the only way teams are going to catch up is to match their NIL or spend more. How many teams will actually be able to keep up?
While money plays a huge role, it's not the only factor. A coaches ability to recruit and to retain recruits is also key. And certain programs have built in prestige or a location near talent bases that are also big positives in having more talent.
As for "how many teams might be able to keep up", this year there were 15 teams. Here they are with the number of blue chip players.
UGA (69)
OSU (69)
Bama (67)
Texas (65)
ND (58)
OU (57)
Oregon (56)
PSU (53)
Clemson (52)
UF (52)
LSU (51)
A&M (50)
Michigan (47)
FSU (44)
AU (43)
Obviously being above 50% on the blue chip ratio doesn't mean you'll do well. But you have to hit that benchmark to actually be able to win a title. Tennessee was close (41). But you need 43 to be above 50% of 85.
We had the above 15 teams with a shot goin into the season.
7 of the final 12 came from that list of 15.
6 of the final 8 are from that list of 15.
I expect 4 of the final 4 will be from that list.
It's entirely possible (I'm not predicting this though) that the final 4 will be the teams with the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 8th most blue chips... and the final will be the two teams tied for #1 with 69 blue chips each facing off.
We talk about all the other things in college football but talent acquisition is still the name of the game. The "GM" side of being a college coach probably matters more than the "coaching" side (though both matter a lot).
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