re: Is there really any good reason for teams like Bama to have 3 cupcake games a year?

Again, the point is that Alabama has lost to Florida and Georgia just as often as it has Tennessee over that period : none.

Alabamas record vs Tennessee, Georgia and Florida since 2009 is 22-0.

11-0 vs Tennessee
11-0 vs Georgia/Florida

Over that same time period LSU is 9-7 vs Georgia/Florida.

And your argument is that IF ONLY BAMMER PLAYED GEORGIA AND FLORIDA AND NOT TENNESSEE THINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

The stats don't lie. Alabama has won EVERY SINGLE GAME we've played against Florida and Georgia since 2008, and that includes beating 2009 Florida, 2012 Georgia, 2017 Georgia and 2018 Georgia - the 4 best teams those 2 programs have put on the field in the last decade.

Your argument is dumb because it implies that Alabama would have much less success if we were forced to play Georgia and Florida more. The facts say that is a joke.

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I’m going to enjoy this thought all offseason. How about you? ?

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I'm mad we went 13-1, won the SEC Title and lost the national title

You are enjoying things because you went 10-3 and beat a mid major in a bowl game after going 0-3 vs Alabama, A&M and Florida.

I think that pretty well describes our two programs right now.

Georgia and Florida have had the following 9 teams finish the season in the Top 15 since 2008:
- 2008 Georgia
- 2008 Florida
- 2009 Florida
- 2012 Georgia
- 2012 Florida
- 2016 Florida
- 2017 Georgia
- 2018 Georgia
- 2018 Florida

> Alabama played 7 of them and went 6-1.

> LSU played 7 of them and went 1-6.

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So you argue that you would win those other 10 regular season games against the 8 time SEC teams and the other SEC East teams you would against the 1-8-2 SEC suck arse Vols?

Arrogance thy name is Bama. But your argument is illogical. Any and every team will lose more in a schedule with more winning teams.

And one loss, or more injuries to your starters because you have to play more minutes against higher quality teams, can have a negative accumulating effect on your season.

But Nick knows that and so do you. And both of y’all witnessed it against Clemson. And the whole national and large parts of the world saw the Tide quit!

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You are literally ignoring all facts and just vomiting opinions and cliches to cover for it.

Again, see above. Of the 9 best UF and UGA teams since 2008 Alabama and LSU both played 7 of them. Alabama went 6-1 and LSU went 1-6.

Florida causes LSU problems. They haven't caused Alabama any issues at all since Urban left. We've beaten them like red headed step children EVERY TIME we've played.

So far the time frame in question is y’all Saban era. His reputation has assured y’all the best recruits. Saban has dominated every SEC team.

I understand, during our Saban era I was more arrogant than normal too.

But this era will end. The start may, yes may, have started against Dabo. Nick was outcoached. Clemson players out played the Tide players. And Alabama was COMPLETELY OUTCLASSED! They didn’t just get beat or out coached, they Quit. Even Saban looked beat. He always looked pissed before when he lost! But not in that game.
Winning looks like this:

Losing looks like this normally:

Nick during the last game:

From USA TODAY January 8, 2019 article titled, With Clemson's destruction of Alabama, Dabo Swinney is the new king of college football.

And the first 2paragraphs:
SANTA CLARA, Calif. — The moment you knew that Nick Saban knew what was happening to his team arrived with the subtlety of a crystal football being smashed by a sledgehammer. It stunned with the force of an electrical storm, and it shook a sport he has owned for a decade to its core.

The greatest college football coach of all time, the man whose program has never given up on a big game, the tactician whose genius has rescued so many moments that once seemed to be slipping away, finally panicked. He ran out of answers. He admitted that Dabo Swinney and the Clemson Tigers were not only going to beat Alabama for the national championship Monday night, but that they had essentially hacked the machine.

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So far the time frame in question is y’all Saban era. His reputation has assured y’all the best recruits. Saban has dominated every SEC team.

I understand, during our Saban era I was more arrogant than normal too.

But this era will end. The start may, yes may, have started against Dabo. Nick was outcoached. Clemson players out played the Tide players. And Alabama was COMPLETELY OUTCLASSED! They didn’t just get beat or out coached, they Quit. Even Saban looked beat. He always looked pissed before when he lost! But not in that game.

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I dont really know what this has to do with the very specific topic we were discussing except for you gave up because your insecure LSU narrative of "if only Bama had to play Florida they'd lose" narrative was crushed.

But congrats on attempting to change topics to something about the national title game.

Here’s my first post:

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I don’t object to the cupcakes. Every team needs practice teams and breathers. But Bama’s consistent contenders are LSU, aTm, and Auburn in the West. They scheduled byes in front of aTm and LSU. Also it was 2007 when Alabama’s permanent “rival” Tennessee last won the SEC East. Since then: LSU’s, Florida 4Xs Auburn’s, Georgia 4Xs Arkansas’, Missouri 2Xs A&M’s, South Carolina 1X And Tennessee in that same time period has 8, yes EIGHT, losing SEC seasons, and only 1, yes ONE, winning SEC season (5-3). Bama consistently has the easiest SEC West road to the SEC Championship slingshot to the Naty. That’s why Saban wouldn’t go to Texas or any other school without the Bama SEC advantage.

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So my specific topic was that Bama’s traditionally weak SEC schedule with Tennessee helps put them in the SEC Championship game. And that plus Bama’s traditionally weak non conference schedule is a great aid to launch a Naty run. I further opined that Bama’s nearest West competition LSU and Auburn had harder SEC schedules because we played the cream of the East every year while Bama could mail in a W against Tennessee with their third string. The original topic was centered on Bama cupcakes scheduled.

Then you pulled some bullshite statement out of some poor bull’s arse about how your strength of SEC schedule (not Championships) was just as rough and tough as LSU and AU. I showed that your 15-3 claim was complete crap against FU and UGA. Bama only played them 5Xs in their SEC schedule from 2008, while LSU played them 15 Xs and AU 12Xs.

After failing in trying to claim Bama had an equally hard road to SEC West champs, you arrogantly claimed Bama could beat UGA and FU every time they will ever play.

I called BS on that, and pointed out that the 2008-2018 time frame is not normal Alabama times. Y’all are in fact in your best time in history. I further opined that Dabo may, yes may, have started this times end. I showed you a National source that said as much. In theory, this could harm Tide recruitment, and victories. This could snowball negatively just as Nick did positively.

So I never changed topics.

But if I were a Tide fan, I’d try to avoid all references to ending the season as little loser quitting bitches too.

And don’t try to claim that a schedule containing Duke in Atlanta, New Mexico State, South Carolina, Southern Miss, a bye before Texas A&M, Tennessee, a bye before LSU, and Western Carolina before Auburn is a rough schedule!

I’ll admit that Bama is a storied program, and that it is probably the most talented during the time frame, and that Nick is a great coach. I further admit that Bama has dominated LSU since 2011.

But I can’t understand you arguing that Bama with Tennessee, has a SEC schedule NOT easier than LSU with Florida every year and Georgia almost half the years, or Auburn with Georgia, or even A&M with South Carolina.

Nor should you argue that your non conference schedule in this same time frame was heavier with cupcakes than LSU, AU, or aTm. Now I’ve heard that y’all tried to schedule better teams, but they showed up crappier than expected, like LSU with Miami. And I understand that y’all didn’t pick Duke. But we both know that y’all didn’t try to fight the Duke pairing either. Fair enough. But it doesn’t change the fact that y’all have had a weaker schedule year in and out over your West opponents.

It also cannot be argued that like Clemson in the weak ACC, a weak schedule in a P5 conference helps Alabama get to the Naty. LSU had weaker than the Tiger normal schedule in 2003, 2007, and 2011 when we made the National game.

Go ahead, admit reality, it really won’t hurt. Alabama is a talented, well coached, storied program that enjoys a pussy schedule.

Also, not sure what your pre-2008 argument is supposed to prove.

From 1992-2007 Alabama had to play what was usually a Top 10-15 Tennessee team. Playing Tennessee over that 25 year stretch was not playing Tennessee over the last decade. We in no way "benefited" from playing Tennessee pre-2008.

I'm teting to have a semi rational conversation and you are trying to score rant points and call people little bitches. Cool, I guess.

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I wonder if he’d vote for an extra SEC East game if Bama had to play Georgia or Florida for #9 every year, and LSU would get Tennessee every year for #9?

Everyone else realizes that with Tennessee, Bama is assured 2 SEC cupcakes on average per year. While their main West competition would get 2 upper echelon East opponents on average.

I wouldn’t call Nicky brave, but this sure proves he’s not stupid. And that Tide fans like Bret, have no clue.

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Petition Joe Alleva and King Alexander man. If you LSU fans want a 9 game SEC schedule then go to the source and take this shite to a vote again and see if the LSU contingent will approve to the 9 game format.

And take a look at Saban's record vs UF & UGA every time his Bama team has faced them...and look at his record vs the rest of the conference as well and tell us why he'd be scared of playing any conference team.

SummerOfGeorge, you’re a standard gump who delusionally denies strength of schedule reality.

As per 24/7Sports.com upcoming SEC strength of schedule 2019.
Easiest to hardest:
Missouri
Kentucky
Vandy
ALABAMA
Georgia
Arkansas
Mississippi State
The midpoint
Florida
Tennessee
LSU (this is our easiest every 4 year schedule, 2003, 2007, 2011, 2015, and 2019)
Ole Miss
Auburn
South Carolina
Texas A&M

Funny how your West challengers are 6, 8, and 10 spots more difficult. LSU’s difficult schedule is how we ended ranked #6 with 3 losses.

Bama is in the same challenge neighborhood as Missouri, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt, the 4 heavyweights of the SEC!

But that’s ok cupcake, the whole world knows that Bama plays a cupcake schedule year in and year out. You don’t have to admit it. And I won’t force you to admit that the Tide ended the last season as little whiny quitter bitches. The whole world knows that too.

Just yell Roll Tide, beat your old lady, have sex with your livestock, and smile while you pretend reality isn’t real.