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re: Is Matt Luke the worst hire of the offseason?

Posted on 6/11/18 at 9:55 am to
Posted by Rayburn8
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 6/11/18 at 9:55 am to
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If the last few years have proven anything it's that you should never remove the interim tag.


And people question why we are reluctant to do so with Henderson.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18137 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 10:01 am to
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Matt Luke was about as good as Ole Miss could hope for. Da Coach O was the worst hire.


Paying upwards of $4 mil a year? You're crazy.

We were all in on Memphis' Norvell until we found out of some rumblings of a intimate nature.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16556 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 10:08 am to
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Start building up that war chest


Does it work like this in Athletic Dept's? If we save 3 Mil. a year on Luke does that bump the salary range to $8mil/yr? Or does that simply go towards a slush fund for upfront payment to make the job more appealing?

The job as it sits now is stagnant AF with Luke. I would have rather swung and missed on a non-power 5 HC looking to step up or a coordinator (not one of ours) who showed HC promise.

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some rumblings of a intimate nature.


Ha I would have laughed after going through Freeze deal. As long as it wasn't of an illegal nature then I wouldn't care.
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 10:18 am
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18137 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 10:32 am to
I would much rather still have Freeze than Matt Luke. Matter of fact, Luke was the assistant on Freeze's staff that needed to be replaced the most. We now know, Hugh wasn't allowed to fire Luke.
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 10:33 am
Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
27251 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 10:36 am to
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You need someone to get you through the shitty years for cheap then go out afterwards and hire a big time name for a lot of money.



But he wasn't cheap. We're paying him $3 mill.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18137 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 10:40 am to
And, honestly, I don't think we would have any shitty years if we had a decent coach. Having Luke as HC kind of guarantees that we have some shitty years and then we are a rebuild project for anyone else.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 11:02 am to
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Does it work like this in Athletic Dept's? If we save 3 Mil. a year on Luke does that bump the salary range to $8mil/yr? Or does that simply go towards a slush fund for upfront payment to make the job more appealing?




You can spend on facilities to make the job more attractive, or you can save it up for a huge signing bonus to woo a potential coach...Idk.

There's got to be some benefits.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16556 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 11:04 am to
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Having Luke as HC kind of guarantees that we have some shitty years and then we are a rebuild project for anyone else


So why aren't we giving that money to someone else to start rebuilding.? I know the next couple years are a bust due to NCAA limitations. However, someone could be laying the ground work and installing their systems, culture, and start networking with our recruiting base.
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
17749 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 11:06 am to
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start networking with our recruiting base.

Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16556 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 11:16 am to
Umm I mean "community outreach"
Posted by Rzrbackguy
Apalachicola, FL
Member since Jul 2014
2212 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 11:29 am to
Luke fits Ole Miss just fine.

My question is this:

Does it bother you that during the all time pinnacle of your football success you lost 4 straight to Bert and his merry band of Hogs?

Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16556 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:22 pm to
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Does it bother you that during the all time pinnacle of your football success


I wasn't alive for that, and Arky was in a different conference.

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lost 4 straight to Bert and his merry band of Hogs?


That was divine intervention smiting Freeze. It's the only explanation conceivable.

Now you can go politely frick off back to the hills and hollers. Good day to you sir.
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:30 pm to
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So why aren't we giving that money to someone else to start rebuilding.? I know the next couple years are a bust due to NCAA limitations. However, someone could be laying the ground work and installing their systems, culture, and start networking with our recruiting base.


Pretty tough to get a top coach that wants to do that. You'd have to try and get a young, hungry guy on the cheap and I'm not sure they'd do a better job than Luke.
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
9418 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:36 pm to
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We're paying him 3 Mill

That's the crazy thing to me is the amount. Hiring Luke as a placeholder seems fine, but to pay him that is crazy.
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16556 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:40 pm to
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Pretty tough to get a top coach that wants to do that


I agree. I just don't see a "top coach" that will be willing to come in after we bottom out with Luke.

Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
9418 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:42 pm to
How long do most of you Rebs believe administration will be patient with Luke. What gets him fired? What keeps him around?
Posted by TheBooleanGuru
Member since Jun 2018
6 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:53 pm to
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He beat UK in Lexington last year. He is your future.


Posted by DownSouthJukin
Coaching Changes Board
Member since Jan 2014
27251 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:58 pm to
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That's the crazy thing to me is the amount. Hiring Luke as a placeholder seems fine, but to pay him that is crazy.


But he loves Ole Miss, so I guess we have to compensate him for that, too.

And to answer your other question-who knows. I'm afraid getting rid of him is going to be a sticky situation. He's going to have to frick up good in order for us to completely cut ties. Because, again, he loves Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16556 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 12:59 pm to
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What gets him fired? What keeps him around?


What got him the job and will keep him around is the same reason that it will be hard to fire him. He has personal relationships with anyone that has a say so at the school because he is a former player, native Mississippian, and has been some type of assistant or coach at OM or with Cutcliffe for the past decade plus.

Posted by Drebin
Member since Aug 2017
4446 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 1:10 pm to
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hat got him the job and will keep him around is the same reason that it will be hard to fire him. He has personal relationships with anyone that has a say so at the school because he is a former player, native Mississippian, and has been some type of assistant or coach at OM or with Cutcliffe for the past decade plus.


As we state fans remember from the Sylvester Croom error, to get rid of a coach like that is going to require an athletic director with balls to stick his neck out and make that call in the face of internal and external pressure.

Bjork is not that. But I don't know how much longer Bjork is going to be around either. That AD position is going to be the important hire.
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