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re: Is LSU the dirtest athletic program in the SEC

Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:24 am to
Posted by tigerdup07
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:24 am to
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We got popped by the NCAA for lack of institutional control.


in this case, it should be "lack of institutional knowledge". which is not the fault of the university. right?
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:24 am to
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Funes was embezzling money not paying players.


I'm just going by what is being reported by several sources

"The NCAA scrutiny of LSU has expanded to include the football program, as the school confirmed on Friday afternoon that it has been working with the NCAA about an “ongoing inquiry” into a six-figure payment to the father of a former player.

An LSU booster named John Paul Funes, who pleaded guilty to stealing more than a half-million dollars from a foundation where he worked as a fundraiser, paid $180,000 to a man that Yahoo Sports confirmed on Friday is the father of former Tigers star lineman Vadal Alexander."
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:25 am to
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Are we now saying LSU is responsible for any and all transactions involving anyone who ever played for LSU and their families?


The issue here is that the player was on the team while the father was being paid.

If he is a booster.... YES SIR. LSU is responsible.

IF the NCAA walked away from things like this, it's open season by boosters everywhere.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:26 am to
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Neither did LSU


Doesn't matter. BAMA was hammered. Logan Young also died....

Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:27 am to
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The issue here is that the player was on the team while the father was being paid.

If he is a booster.... YES SIR. LSU is responsible.


gotcha. so, if you're kid gets arrested for selling drugs, you are at fault. makes sense.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53465 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:28 am to
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Which LSU athletes have been paid? What evidence do you have Funes was acting as a booster while he was embezzling money?



There is a court case and evidently it's now public.


Ask OLE MISS what it's like to have the NCAA set up base at Ole Miss. They aren't getting those top classes anymore.

This is now a multi sport issue.
Posted by canyon
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:29 am to
two different things
still no proof
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:29 am to
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I'm just going by what is being reported by several sources


No, you’re jumping ahead and making assumptions.

Of course the NCAA is going to ask about it, but based on what we know there’s no payment to a player and the payment to Vadal’s dad was let of embezzlement and there’s no know connection to his son’s status as a player.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 9:30 am
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:29 am to
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This is now a multi sport issue.



Very true
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6479 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:30 am to
what I wonder is why did the guy bring the LSU program into this. I mean, so he gets busted for embezzlement, but why even mention his payments to LSU players or their family (the Cecil Newton rule closed that parent loophole)
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:30 am to
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is it because of the amount of money?
The NCAA wants their cut of the pie. That is all it is.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:30 am to
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in this case, it should be "lack of institutional knowledge". which is not the fault of the university. right?

It’s the same thing,
We had zero knowledge of our rogue booster either.
Both he and the athlete admitted that was the case,
The NCAA’s take is that a university should run an impenetrable ship and know what’s going on with every booster at all times,

It’s a next to impossible standard to meet; but it’s the standard, nonetheless.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84849 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:30 am to
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There is a court case and evidently it's now public.


Ask OLE MISS what it's like to have the NCAA set up base at Ole Miss. They aren't getting those top classes anymore.

This is now a multi sport issue.


Hopes and wants
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6479 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:32 am to
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you’re jumping ahead and making assumptions.


uhh, that was a direct quote from the article.

"The NCAA scrutiny of LSU has expanded to include the football program, as the school confirmed on Friday afternoon that it has been working with the NCAA about an “ongoing inquiry” into a six-figure payment to the father of a former player.

An LSU booster named John Paul Funes, who pleaded guilty to stealing more than a half-million dollars from a foundation where he worked as a fundraiser, paid $180,000 to a man that Yahoo Sports confirmed on Friday is the father of former Tigers star lineman Vadal Alexander."

sports.yahoo.com/new-revelations-expand-ls-us-ncaa-issues
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:32 am to
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so, if you're kid gets arrested for selling drugs, you are at fault. makes sense.
This is the NCAA we’re talking about
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:33 am to
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It’s the same thing,


Funes embezzling money for his own ends has nothing to do with any LSU players.

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:34 am to
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uhh, that was a direct quote from the article.


No it’s not

Again you realize that a business transaction, legal or illegal under the law, isn’t automatically an NCAA violation just because it involves a parent of a player, right?
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53465 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:35 am to
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How was he acting as a booster while embezzling money?


Where he got the money is not relevant to what he did with the money.... Which was to pay a team player's father....

That's very "illegal" in terms of NCAA.

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Do you honestly believe any and all business transactions, legal or otherwise, between an LSU fan and a relative of an LSU player to be an NCAA violation? Do you really not see how absurd that would be?


The NCAA states you can not. Period. They will investigate this while looking for anything else.

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I know you really want LSU to be hit with penalties but at least stop to think about what you’re saying before you say it.


Nope. I really want cheating to come to an end but I'm not naive enough to believe it will. Thus the NCAA... and rules.


If this goes unchecked every team in America will have the blueprint to do the same.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:37 am to
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The NCAA states you can not. Period.


Link me the specific NCAA bylaw on this
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6479 posts
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:38 am to
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uhh, that was a direct quote from the article.



No it’s not


Did you even read the article. You do know what a "direct quote" means, don't you.

it's the first two paragraphs
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