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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:40 am to YankeeHandle
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:40 am to YankeeHandle
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So he funneled money to more than one person related to LSU football?
Yep. And it was to the family of a LSU player who had been gone for over a decade when he became CEO in 2012. So it's clear that those transactions were basically laundering money ($107,000) with Funes receiving $63,000 back from Davey's mother and sister.
Why should we expect that the payments (the bill of information describes a series of payments) to James Alexander would be for a different reason?
The federal government charges had Funes embezzling around $550,000 (doesn't give a specific amount) and this series to James Alexander accounts for $180,000 of that money. Do you really think that much was just to pay off one player's family?
Between the Davey and Alexander families, we can account for 52% of his embezzled money (if we go with the higher amount bandied about, which seems to include his misuse of funds for chartered flights and stolen gift cards), those payments would still be over 1/3 of the amount stolen.
Funes is a monster and certainly seemed more focused on getting himself more cash instead of paying off LSU players or their family.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 9:41 am
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Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:40 am to John Milner
Again you realize that a business transaction, legal or illegal under the law, isn’t automatically an NCAA violation just because it involves a parent of a player, right?
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:42 am to bbrownso
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Why would we expect that the payments (the bill of information describes a series of payments) to James Alexander would be for a different reason?
Because they are fans of teams that compete against LSU and they hope and want LSU to get in trouble, regardless of the facts.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:46 am to tigerdup07
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gotcha. so, if you're kid gets arrested for selling drugs, you are at fault. makes sense.
If he is selling it out of your home... yep. But comparing that with SPECIFIC RULES is useless.
Would you like for me to post the rule?
This isn't anything new. This has been the rule for decades.
A Booster per the NCAA:
Boosters, referred to by the NCAA as “representatives of the institution’s athletic interests,” include anyone who has:
Provided a donation in order to obtain season tickets for any sport at the university.
Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university’s athletics programs.
Made financial contributions to the athletic department or to a university booster organization.
Arranged for or provided employment for enrolled student-athletes.
Assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.
Assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student athletes or their families.
Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.
Once an individual is identified as a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests,” the person retains that identity forever.
That's per the NCAA and can be found here: LINK
As a booster, you may not:
Contact a prospect in-person on-campus or off campus.
Contact a prospect by telephone, email, Internet or letter.
Provide gifts or free or reduced-cost services to a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian.
Employ relatives, guardians or friends of a prospect as an inducement for the prospect’s enrollment and athletics participation at a university.
Become directly or indirectly involved in making arrangements for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to receive money or financial aid of any kind.
Provide transportation for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian.
Provide free or reduced-cost tickets for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or guardian to attend an athletic event.
Provide any material benefit (e.g., meals, cash) to the coach of a prospect, including high school, two-year college, AAU and summer team coaches.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:47 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Link me the specific NCAA bylaw on this
I just did.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:49 am to Jjdoc
Uh huh, and laundering money through someone isn’t listed. That’s neither a gift nor employment.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Uh huh, and laundering money through someone isn’t listed.
Per the article, true or not, he embezzled money from a children's hospital. Per the court documents, he made payments with some of those funds to a player's father.
And he plead guilty
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
If it is that easy to get a program to commit an NCAA violation, then someone go start a Go Fund Me campaign to raise $180k to donate to the family of Tia Tagovailoa.
Maybe that will help my Tigers: If ya can't t beat 'em, get 'em sanctioned.
Maybe that will help my Tigers: If ya can't t beat 'em, get 'em sanctioned.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:55 am to joshua2571
I have never wanted to see any SEC program get into any kind of ncaa trouble ever in my life. I’ve hated certain programs with a heathen passion, I’ve punched walls and cursed rival programs, I’ve wanted to beat the piss out of certain coaches in our conference but I draw the line at wanting ncaa trouble to harm ANY program in our conference. And I truly believe it’s chicken shite for anybody to wish that upon any conference member. /rant
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:55 am to BYULSUalum
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If it is that easy to get a program to commit an NCAA violation
Like it or not.. it's the rules. The guy is clearly a booster by the legal terms set forth by Universities.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:55 am to Jjdoc
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he made payments
Embezzling money through someone is not a payment in the sense of the NCAA handbook. It’s just not man. He stole money and used these people to do it, it’s not related to LSU athletics at all.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:59 am to joshua2571
How poor is LSU that they can’t just outright have their boosters pay players? They have to steal the money first.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:59 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Embezzling money through someone is not a payment in the sense of the NCAA handbook.
Has nothing to do with embezzling funds.
Him embezzling money does not involve LSU.
Him spending money on a player's father IS. And he pleaded guilty.
You are confusing 2 issues. So let's go at it this way:
Did Funes pay James Alexander 180K? Per Court docs, yes. He plead guilty to the charges.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:02 am to Jjdoc
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Has nothing to do with what he did with the embezzled funds.
It does actually. It’s not a gift nor is it employment. It’s theft.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:04 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Has nothing to do with what he did with the embezzled funds.
It does actually. It’s not a gift nor is it employment. It’s theft.
Insofar as it being against ncaa rules to pay a player or his parents, what does it matter where he got the money?
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It does actually. It’s not a gift nor is it employment. It’s theft.
I will ask once again:
Did he plead guilty?
Did he pay the father of a player 180K?
Per Court docs... he did and he plead guilty. Are you saying that did not happen.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:08 am to John Milner
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Insofar as it being against ncaa rules to pay a player or his parents, what does it matter where he got the money?
No, the payment itself was the embezzlement. That’s how he stole the money. That’s not a gift nor is it employment.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:08 am to Jjdoc
Nothingburger. Emmert has our back. We are golden here.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:16 am to Jjdoc
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Are you saying that did not happen.
No. I’m saying the act of embezzlement doesn’t qualify as a gift or employment. You said in a previous post that this “Has nothing to do with embezzling funds.” Bruh, it has EVERYTHING to do with embezzling funds.
But even if you’re right, there’s also no dates given so we don’t even know if Vadal was still at LSU or if it is outside of the statute of limitations or what.
You’re trying to connect multiple dots that have not been connected because you hope and want LSU to receive NCAA penalties for the benefit of your school. You’re hardly an impartial observer and while I’m not either at least I’m actually looking at the facts and not projecting and making assumptions.
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:22 am to joshua2571
Does this include SEC schools that allow players to stay on the football team after video shows them beating on women?
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