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Posted on 9/25/18 at 10:19 am to Landmass
Jimbo is off to good start. It looks like he's taken Sumlin's players and put a much better product on the field. He's recruiting very well too. Jimbo might not outwork Saban, but he'll outwork Richt.
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:22 am to Landmass
Don't see all the hype over jimbo.dont care for him. Take O every day over him
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:29 am to Landmass
Richt teams had talent but lacked discipline. I believe Jimbo and his teams will be more disciplined going forward and perhaps they will become talented as well.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:37 am to WG_Dawg
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that's debatable. Is chizik better than richt? How about coker?
Jimbo went 83-23 at FSU (in a weaker league) and finished in the top 10 4 times. Richt went 145-51 in a tougher league and finished in the top 10 8 times.
You can make the case that they're actually very similar coaches, one just had a slightly better season once than the other.
Jimbo: 78% win%, 3 conference titles (37.5% of the time), 1 national title (12.5%), ranked 7 times (87.5%), top 10 4 times (50%).
Richt: 74% win%, 2 conference titles (11.7% of the time), 0 national tiles (0%), ranked 13 times (76.4%), top 10 8 times (47%).
Its close, but Jimbo has a clear edge. He just hasn't been doing it quite as long.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:40 am to Warrior Poet
He's more like Saban all around than anyone else IMHO. Personally, program mentality, etc.
Obviously he's not Saban, nobody is, but he'll build a consistent product that produces lots of really good players. The only question will be whether he can take that next step from being really good 9-3/Top 15 type program to being a consistent 10-11 win/Top 10 program that competes for and win SEC and National Titles. That's obviously the defining question of his tenure there.
Obviously he's not Saban, nobody is, but he'll build a consistent product that produces lots of really good players. The only question will be whether he can take that next step from being really good 9-3/Top 15 type program to being a consistent 10-11 win/Top 10 program that competes for and win SEC and National Titles. That's obviously the defining question of his tenure there.
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:41 am to Landmass
Well, he did win a national title, which is something Richt will never do. So, I'd say closer to Saban.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:46 am to Landmass
There is a wide range between Richt and Saban.
Jimbo already has multiple rings, with 1 as a HC so he's not Richt.
Jimbo already has multiple rings, with 1 as a HC so he's not Richt.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:55 am to Nguyening
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Jimbo already has multiple rings, with 1 as a HC so he's not Richt.
FWIW Richt won 2 rings as an assistant at Florida State, not sure why you brought that into the discussion, though
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:56 am to Nguyening
Eh, Richt had two, maybe three national championship level teams. Had there been a CFP during his entire tenure at UGA, there's a decent chance he'd have a ring. David Greene's junior or senior season, was a very, very good team. In 2012 he was a tipped pass away from getting to whip up on Notre Dame in the championship game.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 11:58 am to Farmer1906
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Jimbo: 78% win%, 3 conference titles (37.5% of the time), 1 national title (12.5%), ranked 7 times (87.5%), top 10 4 times (50%).
Richt: 74% win%, 2 conference titles (11.7% of the time), 0 national tiles (0%), ranked 13 times (76.4%), top 10 8 times (47%).
Its close, but Jimbo has a clear edge. He just hasn't been doing it quite as long.
Now compare Jimbo to Saban to see who he’s closer to, which is the topic up for discussion ITT, not whether Jimbo is better than Richt
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:00 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Eh, Richt had two, maybe three national championship level teams. Had there been a CFP during his entire tenure at UGA, there's a decent chance he'd have a ring. David Greene's junior or senior season, was a very, very good team. In 2012 he was a tipped pass away from getting to whip up on Notre Dame in the championship game.
Richt finished in the Top 4 in 2002, 2007 and 2012.
- 2002 would have been a lock for the playoff
- 2007 would have been a debate much like Alabama last year between Oklahoma/Georgia/Virginia Tech/USC for the last 2 spots
- 2012 would have been wild : Alabama/Oregon/Notre Dame are all probably in. The 4th spot would come down to Kansas State and 11-1 Florida/10-2 A&M/11-2 Georgia. Florida has 1 loss but Georgia had 1 loss before playing Alabama. A&M beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa and was probably the hottest team in the country.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:01 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
So you're saying tgat Richt underperformed if he had that many NC calibre teams, then?
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:10 pm to Landmass
Probably more like Phil Fulmer.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:11 pm to Farmer1906
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Jimbo: 78% win%, 3 conference titles (37.5% of the time), 1 national title (12.5%), ranked 7 times (87.5%), top 10 4 times (50%).
Richt: 74% win%, 2 conference titles (11.7% of the time), 0 national tiles (0%), ranked 13 times (76.4%), top 10 8 times (47%).
keep in mind the quality of competition as well. Who was jimbo's main competition while at FSU?
-Clemson was pretty good the last half of Jimbo's tenure. Keep in mind Richt was 1-1 against clemson in that time frame and 3-1 against htem overall
-VT was typically pretty decent but has never really achieved much of note
-Florida was weak
-Miami was weak
Basically Jimbo's biggest tests at FSU were a weird good Clemson/VT teams and a random pattern of Wake Forrest/NCSt/UNC rotating around.
-The last 9 seasons of Richt's tenure saban was in the league, and although they didnt' play every year it was certainly a thorn in recruiting, and we did play them 4 times in this era.
-early Richt era faced Urban Meyer which Jimbo didn't have to
-early Richt faced Saban era LSU, then several square offs with Miles LSU
-Richt faced AU yearly first against tubs when they routinely finished well, then later against gus before he started derping it up eveyr season
-early Richt had a Fulmer led UT team when they were still contending for national titles
So yes you can break it down strictly on win percentage and conference titles (which are both pretty darn close actually) but you have to realize the SOS that richt faced plays a major part.
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:16 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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He just got there. Give him time to get rid of Sumlin's weak arse players...
Sumlin left him with a top 15 roster. This is a myth. He has plenty of talent to work with, and his team is way more talented than a 50 point arse beating by Bama and celebrating a touchdown loss to a Clemson team that will end up being meh when it’s all said and done. He’s not a savior and he’s not worth $10MM, he’ll end up almost exactly like Mark Richt. He can’t win big ones without a heisman winner, never has and never will
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:24 pm to LSUgrad08112
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Don't see all the hype over jimbo.dont care for him. Take O every day over him
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:24 pm to BornKjun
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I wouldn't completely count him out just yet.
you sure 4 games into a tenure isn't enough time to pass final judgment?
Posted on 9/25/18 at 12:38 pm to LSUgrad08112
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He can’t win big ones without a heisman winner, never has and never will
How dare Jimbo recruit and coach a good player. What an asshhole.
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