re: Is it reasonable to expect Tennessee football to turn around?

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What do you tell your kids about South Carolina being 8-25 all time against UT and losing 3 out of the last 4? Did the greatest coach in your history even win 1 game against Butch The Lesbian Jones?

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he'd probably bring up the fact that their current coach has never lost to Botch Jones, even with far less talent.

Blaming it all on Dooley is dumb. Comparing Dooley's recruitment with Jones is just wrong too. Dooley walked into way worse situation, and didn't have the ability to sign 30 or so kids. Oh and one of those 4*s Dooley signed, Peterman, ended up getting drafted.

Back to lying again.

But you are, your knowledge of all things Tennessee is vast, but every damn time anyone says anything bad about Jones you go to bat for him.

Nah. I just state the positives along with the negatives. Fans tend to be one or the other and we're particularly negative on tRant. I don't see it that way and don't tend to think in Zoroastrian dualities of light/dark, good/bad, particularly in context of the period we're in which looks more and more to me like a middle period which is neither wholly good nor bad but a stage that has to be gone through to get somewhere else. Where we are ain't good enough but to deny where we've come from is the kind of knee-jerk response that got us into this mess to begin with.

If all CBJ turns out to be is a version of Majors paving the way for the next Fulmer that's fine with me (and I'm speaking in terms of rebuilding not in terms of coaching because right now CBJ isn't close to either but Majors did serve as a kind of Moses ultimately denied the Promised Land despite leading the people out of bondage - I never liked Majors as those years were often frustrating as hell and I remember how he treated people but I know the hard work he did and that we'd have never had the success we saw under Fulmer were it not for everything Majors did).

IOW, if we're as far as we're going with Jones fine - someone had to do the rebuild and the other guys had failed miserably at even getting to this point which indeed led us to the hiring options we had when we hired Jones and very few want to take a high expectation job like this one, play the schedule we do, AND start with a very large deficit when there are easier paths to get to a CFP spot. Fortunately that deficit has been largely erased.

Right now isn't terrible but it's not the stopping point either and there's no doubt the job is about 1000 percent more attractive than it was when CBJ took over. If he's fired, the next guy will likely inherit something similar to what Fulmer did which was an ideal scenario for a talented coach and positions well for the guy who comes along at Saban's nadir and let's be frank: every intelligent program is thinking about positioning for that day when he's either become mortal, is a few steps out the door or has finally gone and about how to position themselves best to emerge from the fallout.

UGA has done less with more than any team in the country and there's really not a close 2nd.

2-2 is really racking up those wins

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I've noted many times on this board

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And literally nobody gives a frick.

We kicked Kirby and that fat dog mascot in the sack last year. frick off you bitch