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re: Is it reasonable to expect Tennessee football to turn around?
Posted on 5/31/17 at 8:46 am to TRUERockyTop
Posted on 5/31/17 at 8:46 am to TRUERockyTop
Wait, so since 1992 is dropping truth bombs but when a UGA fan points to 2000 and 1960 they get called names. Gtfo.
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Posted on 5/31/17 at 8:49 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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Now do the last 10 years
Tennessee has had their worst 10 year period in the history of their program, much like Alabama did in the 90's. Georgia also had a mediocre program in the 90s.
I'm not saying Tennessee will get "back" (which for Tennessee is being a consistent top 15 team, not a yearly national title team), but since the SEC became the modern SEC they aren't any different than Georgia.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 8:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Tennessee has had their worst 10 year period in the history of their program, much like Alabama did in the 90's. Georgia also had a mediocre program in the 90s.
So do since 1970. It's not indicative of real trends to look at a small sample. Look at the bigger picture and it isn't pretty for UT.
edit: 1970 is also the best line of demarcation since, as noted, it's around the time all SEC teams were integrated. UT's best years were the white bread years.
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 8:55 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 8:55 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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small sample
A small sample? It's 25 years! Literally the entire period since the SEC split into divisions and created the SEC Championship Game.
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 8:56 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 8:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
25 years is also cherry picking their best years (1997-2007) since the 1940s, and at a time when their coach was an unprecedented "secret witness" to bring down their hated rival. You're just ignoring that part.
So if you agree that a larger sample is better, check it since 1970, the time that all SEC became integrated.
So if you agree that a larger sample is better, check it since 1970, the time that all SEC became integrated.
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 8:58 am to Porter Osborne Jr
We've been better than you for the lifespan of the 2 programs.
Been better since expansion.
Come holler at me when you watch your squad win a national championship in your lifetime.
Been better since expansion.
Come holler at me when you watch your squad win a national championship in your lifetime.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:00 am to TRUERockyTop
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We've been better than you for the lifespan of the 2 programs.
Been better since expansion.
You've also been far worse since integration, and but for Kentucky and Vanderbilt, the worst program in the SEC the last 10 years. Thems the facts.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
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So, basically, the two programs are relatively even since 1992 (25 years)
All very true. Just as our programs are pretty much the same since 1960.
The difference is where those programs sit right now.
It's been 5 years since Georgia was in the National Title picture late in the season (2012)..... its been 16 years since Tennessee was in the National Title picture late in the season (2001).
It's been three years since Georgia last finished in the Top 10 at the end of a season (#9 in 2014).... again its been 16 years since Tennessee last finished in the Top 10 at the end of the season (#4 in 2001).
Georgia has finished in the Final Top 7 on five occasions since Tennessee finished that high (#3 in 2002; #7 in 2003; #7 in 2004; #2 in 2007; #5 in 2012).
Georgia has not lost our relevance. It's one thing to be going through a transition because you fired a coach for not being able to win a National Title despite the fact that he had very good overall success.
It's quite another to have a coach on the hot-seat because he's four years in without a Top 20 finish, who follows a coach who was fired for being terrible, who follows a coach who left the program after just one year.
If 2027 rolls around and Kirby has been fired and we've had two other coaches since him and none of them can finish in the Top 20, then yes, you can ask if Georgia football will ever return.
But the current status of Georgia football and Tennessee football couldn't be more different.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
Since 1970
- Tennessee leads series 16-15
- Tied in National Titles 1-1
- Georgia leads in SEC Championships 6-5
- Tied in SEC Championship Game Appearances 5-5
- Tied in Top 5 finishes 6-6
- Tied in Top 10 finishes 12-12
- Georgia leads in Top 25 finishes 27-25
- Georgia leads in major (Alliance/BCS) bowl appearances 9-7
- Georgia leads in bowl appearances 39-36
- Tennessee leads series 16-15
- Tied in National Titles 1-1
- Georgia leads in SEC Championships 6-5
- Tied in SEC Championship Game Appearances 5-5
- Tied in Top 5 finishes 6-6
- Tied in Top 10 finishes 12-12
- Georgia leads in Top 25 finishes 27-25
- Georgia leads in major (Alliance/BCS) bowl appearances 9-7
- Georgia leads in bowl appearances 39-36
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:02 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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You're just ignoring that part.
Huddie, I grew up in the Tri-Cities of East Tennessee in the mid/late-90s. I can guarandamtee you I know and dealt with more regarding the Fulmer Saga and the rise of Tennessee and fall of Alabama than any Alabama fan on this board.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
snicker. You include SEC championship game appearances and ignore actual SEC titles since 1970, for which Tennessee is 5th or 6th in the conference. You also ignore the fact that Tennessee is 5th or 6th in winning pct. You want me to post up the numbers? Because I will, though I am kind of busy right not.
Cherry picking your stats undermines your point.
Cherry picking your stats undermines your point.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:04 am to TRUERockyTop
But not better since 1960 or 2000. If you want to say the whole time, fine, I won't argue you that.
I saw 1980 chief. It was glorious.
I saw 1980 chief. It was glorious.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Since 1970
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- Tennessee leads in National Titles 1-0
Wrong.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:05 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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snicker. You include SEC championship game appearances and ignore actual SEC titles since 1970, for which Tennessee is 5th or 6th in the conference. You also ignore the fact that Tennessee is 5th or 6th in winning pct. You want me to post up the numbers? Because I will, though I am kind of busy right not. Cherry picking your stats undermines your point.
Have at it. I don't quite understand why you think I'm shilling for Tennessee, as I grew up with more day to day interaction and hatred for them than 98% of Alabama fans. I just don't let that cloud my judgment that they are roughly the same as every Big 6 member outside of Alabama and Florida over the last 25-40 years.
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ignore actual SEC titles since 1970, for which Tennessee is 5th or 6th in the conference.
It is literally in the stats posted above
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 9:09 am
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:06 am to BHMKyle
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Wrong.
Good catch
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:08 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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You want me to post up the numbers? Because I will, though I am kind of busy right not.
Nah man just continue to cherry pick without posting anything substantial, while you accuse someone (who posts actual numbers) of cherry picking. It's great stuff
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:08 am to SummerOfGeorge
Eh... how is UT up 1-0 on national titles since 1970?
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:08 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Eh... how is UT up 1-0 on national titles since 1970?
They aren't, I updated it
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:11 am to Huddie Leadbetter
I think we need a larger sample size. You're leaving out 80 years of football.
Let's start in the mid 30s with the creation of the AP poll, the rise of the forward pass, and creation of most of the modern conferences.
Let's start in the mid 30s with the creation of the AP poll, the rise of the forward pass, and creation of most of the modern conferences.
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:12 am to Huddie Leadbetter
Rank in winning percentage for SEC teams since 1970
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
Auburn
Tennessee
Number of SEC titles since 1970
Alabama 17
UF 9
LSU 7
UGA 6
AU 6
UT 5
Thems the facts. Look it up if you need to.
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
Auburn
Tennessee
Number of SEC titles since 1970
Alabama 17
UF 9
LSU 7
UGA 6
AU 6
UT 5
Thems the facts. Look it up if you need to.
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