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re: Is Brian Kelly an upgrade to Ed Oregon?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:44 am to UFFan
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:44 am to UFFan
Yes, but any coach in the country would have won with the treasure trove of talent and assistant coaching that Ed was allowed to merely operate in.
Ed didn't coach. Ed was a yell leader. That LSU team was an NFL team
Ed didn't coach. Ed was a yell leader. That LSU team was an NFL team
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:45 am to JayAg
quote:Facts here.
Coach O was their coolest coach. They hated that about him.
Legit coon arse Cajun. Restraining order and bar fights while an assistant at Miami. Wildboys speech at Ole Miss. Every blonde name Brandy/Brandi/Brandie/Brandeigh in Louisiana in his stable. Fish camp incident. 100% baw as opposed to the typical Louisiana State fan who eats jambalaya out of a Zararans box, can't field dress a deer, and pays for a fishing guide.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:47 am to UFFan
I think the moral of the story is that you don't have to be a particularly good Xs and Os coach to win at a power 5 level. It's all about talent. Ed O assembled incredible talent. Same for Miles. Miles might be one of the worst technical coaches of all time, but he won a natty. He assembled incredible talent. Kelly hasn't done that yet. He's had some really awesome pieces like Jayden Daniels, but hasn't put together enough talent.
You guys can troll all you want, but Kelly isn't a bad coach. He's not elite, but lets not kid ourselves.... There aren't that many elite coaches out there.
You guys can troll all you want, but Kelly isn't a bad coach. He's not elite, but lets not kid ourselves.... There aren't that many elite coaches out there.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:00 am to terriblegreen
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You guys can troll all you want, but Kelly isn't a bad coach. He's not elite, but lets not kid ourselves.... There aren't that many elite coaches out there.
Well there were several coaches available. Once again your AD wanted one with a much experienced HC. He hired Fisher at Texas A&M and BK at LSU.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 8:44 am to UFFan
It is close and can be argued either way. It one values winning percentage the most, then Kelly wins. If one values championships more then O wins.
Resume as LSU head coach:
O - 51-20 overall (71.8%), 31-17 SEC (64.6%), 1 west title, 1 SEC title, 1 national title
Kelly - 29-11 (72.5%), 17-7 SEC (70.8%), 1 west title
Just based on the numbers and how close their winning percentages were I give the nod to O. He was definitely a better motivator than Kelly. Both ultimately owe much of their success to Heisman winning quarterbacks.
The irony about O’s firing is that LSU fans say that 2020 was a covid year and didn’t count. It sure did to the LSU administration and O though as that season and the residual from it is what got O fired.
Resume as LSU head coach:
O - 51-20 overall (71.8%), 31-17 SEC (64.6%), 1 west title, 1 SEC title, 1 national title
Kelly - 29-11 (72.5%), 17-7 SEC (70.8%), 1 west title
Just based on the numbers and how close their winning percentages were I give the nod to O. He was definitely a better motivator than Kelly. Both ultimately owe much of their success to Heisman winning quarterbacks.
The irony about O’s firing is that LSU fans say that 2020 was a covid year and didn’t count. It sure did to the LSU administration and O though as that season and the residual from it is what got O fired.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:21 am to terriblegreen
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You guys can troll all you want, but Kelly isn't a bad coach. He's not elite, but lets not kid ourselves.... There aren't that many elite coaches out there.
You aren't dealing with geniuses here.
They're literally trying to figure out if a career .725 head coach that's never been fired, is an upgrade over a career .588 coach who was fired/not retained multiple times.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:43 am to tigerbait2010
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Like flies to shite, I can check on this board at any time of the day, every day, and see True Lefty posting about LSU athletics.
It's not LSU per say, the dude has some strange obsession with Brian Kelly.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:50 am to TrueLefty
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How the heck was Orgeron at LSU able to beat Kirby at Georgia easy and BK at LSU wasn't able to beat Kirby at Georgia?
Because Orgeron had an NFL team and Kelly had a duct taped roster you fricking idiot
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:53 am to Mr Roboto
quote:Muh duct taped roster.
Because Orgeron had an NFL team and Kelly had a duct taped roster you fricking idiot
Why has BK's most success at Red Stick been with that horrible roster?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:13 am to PorkSammich
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Orgeron is way more likeable.
Unless you cross him, in which case your body ends up on the bottom of a fishing hole somewhere.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:39 am to Havoc
BK took over a horrible roster much worse than what Nick took over at LSU.It took NS 4 years to win a NC and the next season he lost 4 games.BK has won 29 games in 3 seasons starting from ground 0 and had half of the talent of Geo,Ala. So IMO he has done a great job so far and his recruiting has improved every year.BK also has the most wins of any coach still coaching in college football today.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:42 am to UFFan
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It's kind of mind numbing that Ed Oregon got another head coaching job after being the worst coach in Ole Miss history.
Matt Luke has entered the chat...
Posted on 4/10/25 at 12:06 pm to UFFan
Kelly is Miles 2.0, never do anything great, just keep the majority of the fan base off his back. He a maintainer not an overachiever. Orgeron put together a roster and coaching staff that gave us the greatest season in college football history.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 1:10 pm to 3down10
Coach O’s tenure was at the infancy of NIL and the TP. It is much more difficult to construct a roster in the current landscape.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 1:18 pm to UFFan
Coach wise yes but I dont know anyone who doesn't like Orgeron...
Posted on 4/10/25 at 1:31 pm to Gnash
quote:FIFY
Coach O’s tenure was at the infancy of legal NIL
Posted on 4/10/25 at 1:53 pm to SidewalkTiger
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They're literally trying to figure out if a career .725 head coach that's never been fired, is an upgrade over a career .588 coach who was fired/not retained multiple times.
All Time Winning Percentage by School
Ole Miss: .551
LSU:.645
Notre Dame: .732
Comparing overall winning percentage is apples and oranges because not all programs are equal. As the LSU coach, Brian Kelly and Coach Orgeron are within a few percentage points.
I know one thing, if Kalen Deboer has two 4 loss seasons and one 3 loss season in his first three seasons at Alabama there will be 0.0% Alabama or LSU fans saying he is a good coach.
Yet that is exactly what Brian Kelly has done at LSU. And he had a Heisman winning quarterback for two of those.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 1:55 pm to UFFan
Kelly is more stable and has a higher floor than Orgeron, so in that sense it is an upgrade.
Both have a 'sky is the limit' ceiling, but Kelly hasn't hit it yet.
Orgeron hit it so hard he ain't been the same since.
Both have a 'sky is the limit' ceiling, but Kelly hasn't hit it yet.
Orgeron hit it so hard he ain't been the same since.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 1:57 pm to dat yat
quote:If one hasn't hit their limit, then isn't it just unrealized potential?
Both have a 'sky is the limit' ceiling, but Kelly hasn't hit it yet.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 4/10/25 at 1:57 pm to Murph4HOF
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Why has BK's most success at Red Stick been with that horrible roster?
This is an awfully awkward question for LSU fans to answer.
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