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re: Impact of the transfer portal
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:43 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:43 pm to deeprig9
Are you trying to make your case or sink your case?
JT transferred with the expectation that he might get to compete with the *other* transfer QB from Wake Forest who never played a down of football for us (newman.gif), but would have a pretty clear line of sight to the 2021 season as starter. He was correct ab out that last part except he's been unable to stay healthy. I know where you stand on Stetson, but JT did not fear Stetson when he made his decision, and frankly no UGA fan would have expected him to at the time either.
Clearly some stuff going on with this guy, but he was transferring for more than just playing reasons. Recall that he initially announced he was transferring to UF (see: Pitts replacement). We were selling him on playing WR rather than TE, especially X WR once we lost Pickens to the ACL. Personal problems have derailed that plan, but what would be stopping him from playing X WR for us right now if he were "good"? He absolutely was expecting to play.
It's his draft year, we sent 4 DBs to the league last year. He came for playing time on a big stage (not to mention that he did not have the option of returning to Clemson). He's absolutely made the most of the opportunity.
Not sure if this was the point that you were trying to make, but different programs have different likely candidates to land out of the portal. UGA/Bama/etc likely to be landing players at positions of need for experience/leadership. They won't have a shortage of *talent* at the position, but they'll be unlikely to have entrenched starters at the position and land the highly sought after portal target.
Tennessee, or on the extreme end FSU on the other hand, if they've been down for a bit, they'll be an attractive place for someone that may have been 2nd/3rd string at a Bama/UGA/Clemson/Ohio St/etc because even if they have entrenched starters, the former high 4* or 5* kid who can't seem to get the breakthrough at their current team may feel like they can easily displace the starter there. Have seen a fair amount of chatter on FSU selling this pretty hard and some current UGA players may be interested at the end of the season.
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5* JT Daniels former gatorade player of the year. Got hurt, transferred couldn't even play at UGA for most of last year due to that previous injury. Currently on the bench.
JT transferred with the expectation that he might get to compete with the *other* transfer QB from Wake Forest who never played a down of football for us (newman.gif), but would have a pretty clear line of sight to the 2021 season as starter. He was correct ab out that last part except he's been unable to stay healthy. I know where you stand on Stetson, but JT did not fear Stetson when he made his decision, and frankly no UGA fan would have expected him to at the time either.
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Arik Gilbert, 5* guy who was also a gatorade player of the year, getting plenty of time at LSU, decided to transfer to UGA who already had a 5* starter at TE. Not even on team right now.
Clearly some stuff going on with this guy, but he was transferring for more than just playing reasons. Recall that he initially announced he was transferring to UF (see: Pitts replacement). We were selling him on playing WR rather than TE, especially X WR once we lost Pickens to the ACL. Personal problems have derailed that plan, but what would be stopping him from playing X WR for us right now if he were "good"? He absolutely was expecting to play.
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Kendrick- highly rated CB who was getting time at Clemson, decided to come to UGA which also has a loaded DB room. Playing well and getting alot of time on the field, working out very well for him.
It's his draft year, we sent 4 DBs to the league last year. He came for playing time on a big stage (not to mention that he did not have the option of returning to Clemson). He's absolutely made the most of the opportunity.
Not sure if this was the point that you were trying to make, but different programs have different likely candidates to land out of the portal. UGA/Bama/etc likely to be landing players at positions of need for experience/leadership. They won't have a shortage of *talent* at the position, but they'll be unlikely to have entrenched starters at the position and land the highly sought after portal target.
Tennessee, or on the extreme end FSU on the other hand, if they've been down for a bit, they'll be an attractive place for someone that may have been 2nd/3rd string at a Bama/UGA/Clemson/Ohio St/etc because even if they have entrenched starters, the former high 4* or 5* kid who can't seem to get the breakthrough at their current team may feel like they can easily displace the starter there. Have seen a fair amount of chatter on FSU selling this pretty hard and some current UGA players may be interested at the end of the season.
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 4:48 am to Vols98
Heupel will have to go the Bill Snyder route for a few years until his recruiting relationships are established.
*Well, hopefully established.
*Well, hopefully established.
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 6:05 am to Vols98
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Lol NIL rate? Mizzou is a joke. We hung 28 points on you in the first quarter. Your fan support is trash compared to Tennessee so don't bring up "NIL" to any program outside of Vandy. Idiot
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:10 am to Vols98
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They are transferring to play not to sit on the bench.
So if they’re sitting on the bench it means they’re not good enough to start. We’ve got several freshmen getting good PT and making an impact, and we’ll get 3-4 years benefit from them. Players who are transfers are generally one-and-dones. You can’t maintain a high level program with transfers. You have to recruit, because the big boys are cherry picking the portal too.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:14 am to deeprig9
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Arik Gilbert
How many catches does he have this year?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:22 am to Vols98
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Not saying I like the new landscape of CFB.. but in this case - as a VOL fan desperate to get back to the glory days, we can use this to our advantage.
Look no further than Michigan State. They went from zero to 100 this season. Mel Tucker overhauled his team during the offseason by adding 20 transfers, with 14 of them coming from other Power Five schools. Their Heisman candidate is from Wake Forest. He said before the season that his roster was stronger and more competitive and it would lead to better football.
Here's what else he did, he let the malcontents walk through the same magic portal to the tune of 27 players. Not just a great way to receive but just as important to make room for the correction.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:35 am to BrotherDawg84
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So if they’re sitting on the bench it means they’re not good enough to start. We’ve got several freshmen getting good PT and making an impact, and we’ll get 3-4 years benefit from them. Players who are transfers are generally one-and-dones. You can’t maintain a high level program with transfers. You have to recruit, because the big boys are cherry picking the portal too.
While I mostly agree with this statement, all teams can get some players out of the portal that helps at a position of need. Teams that are in a transition can make a much quicker transformation.
Mississippi State made a huge transition in style. WE had so little OL, WR or QB talent that fit the Air Raid, that Leach had to go out and find the best fits he could in the Portal.
It's sort of like JUCO to me. Teams that have recruited well don't usually take a lot of JuCo and now Portal guys but teams with holes can fill them to some degree.
I know it has helped MS State. The SEC's reception leader is a transfer from from Cal. State has about 8 transfers contributing every week on both sides of the ball.
Some came from places like Bama, LSU and Texas and were highly recruited out of HS and weren't making it but others were stars at programs like UCF, CAl and WSU.
We need a Left Tackle for next year. Charles Cross is gone to the NFL (probably top 10-15 - Kiper has him at 9). It would be nice to have that next guy on the roster but I suspect the portal might be visited to at least bring in some competition for the position but there is no replacing a HS talent already on the roster trained and ready to play.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 8:36 am to Vols98
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This is where I don't agree - no one is transferring to UGA and Bama when you already have 5 stars waiting their turn to play. They are transferring to play not to sit on the bench.
Your linebacker came to Tuscaloosa and started immediately.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:13 am to bamameister
It is telling that the fans most vocal about the transfer portal being bad and saying it will only make the strongest stronger, are the Bama and Dawg fans.
I disagree with those folks, the portal will weaken the rosters of the “haves”, it has too. The “haves” rosters are already stacked, how can the rosters get more stacked? The rosters won’t, and instead the depth chart will take a hit.
That 4* who has been sitting the bench for 2 years and now a 5* just got signed at the same position…..that 4* can leave and be a starter elsewhere. How does Bama (for example) bring in a 4* to replace that 4* when the 4* they want is starting somewhere else…..”Hey, come to Bama, we need quality depth”.
I don’t see good players leaving starting positions at other schools to go be backups at Bama and UGA. I do see backups at Bama and UGA leaving to go be starters somewhere else.
I disagree with those folks, the portal will weaken the rosters of the “haves”, it has too. The “haves” rosters are already stacked, how can the rosters get more stacked? The rosters won’t, and instead the depth chart will take a hit.
That 4* who has been sitting the bench for 2 years and now a 5* just got signed at the same position…..that 4* can leave and be a starter elsewhere. How does Bama (for example) bring in a 4* to replace that 4* when the 4* they want is starting somewhere else…..”Hey, come to Bama, we need quality depth”.
I don’t see good players leaving starting positions at other schools to go be backups at Bama and UGA. I do see backups at Bama and UGA leaving to go be starters somewhere else.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:26 am to Toneski
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I don’t see good players leaving starting positions at other schools to go be backups at Bama and UGA. I do see backups at Bama and UGA leaving to go be starters somewhere else.
What exactly do you see?
First off, I do believe the magic portal is an equal opportunity medium. But some need it more than others. The more one relies on it the better you have to be in the evaluations.
BAMA and other elite teams don't need the pure numbers of a Michigan State. By the way, didn't the Spartans also finish 4th in the B1G in recruiting as well? BAMA needs Jamison Williams (our best WR) Henry T (#1 prospect in the magic portal this season)
Georgia, Penn State, and others did the same. The point is that the elite teams need less but will always get the first pick among the best who want to transfer.
Why? Because the best players are only leaving their program because they want to play and win big.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 5:49 pm to Vols98
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This is where I don't agree - no one is transferring to UGA and Bama when you already have 5 stars waiting their turn to play. They are transferring to play not to sit on the bench.
Um, literally every transfer from Tennessee to Oklahoma says Hi. Gray = backup, Morris = Backup, Lawrence = didn’t start until week 8, and without so many injuries to starters would be have continued to be a backup this season. Next year all 3 will probably enter the season as starters, assuming they are still at Oklahoma. They all transferred to sit on the bench.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 6:13 pm
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