re: If You're STILL Complaining about a Conspiracy...........

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First, I'll admit that the replay of the LSU player attempting to intercept a pass at Alabama last weekend does look like he caught the ball. I'm about 90% sure based on the film available to the refs that he caught it and maybe was in bounds, though the tv angle makes it hard to say for sure he had control and was inbounds. From another angle not available to them, it appears to be 99%. I'd be 100% if I could see the ball better. My bigger question is whether or not Julio Jones touching the ball (he did) makes it a dead ball because he was out of bounds (he was).

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It baffles me how no Bama fan is 100% sure it was a pick, but the same view shows for 100% certainty that Julio touched the ball first. I've seen it multiple times. When a ball it touched in mid-air, it changes directions and the path of the ball. I guess we lucked out and he knocked it right in to Peterson's hands? Also, the tv angles makes it very easy to see he had control and was in bounds. Only difficult to Bama fans.

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And let's take a look at some other facts. First, had the refs called against LSU roughing the punter (15 yards) instead of running into the punter (5 yards) that they did call, none of this controversy would have existed. That 15 yards and a first down would have been an easy call and might have been the correct call. A view of the entire game clearly shows two obvious non-called blocks in the back against LSU. So what, to all of that!? LSU had made 9 yards on 11 plays in that quarter and was playing without their starting QB and running back. They still had a long way to go for a touchdown, and the play did not remove or add any points to the game. Alabama had taken control of that game and had nearly double the yards gained so there is every reason to think they probably would still have won. If the refs wanted to help Alabama win, there were plenty of better ways to do so that would not have been obvious or controversial. To accuse those refs of intentionally making a bad call is shameful and does a disservice to them, the game, the players who work so hard year round to represent their schools and the rest of us fans. I'm sick to death of this silly talk.

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and what is this? any game played any time of any season will have a handful of bad calls. there are missed calls and bad calls made. the point of this particular call is that it was typical sec officiating in that it favored one of the golden children at a critical juncture in the game and was so awfully bad that there's really no debate about.

roughing the punter? you mean when his shoelace got touched and he did a triple gainer like he was shot with a cannon? please....

no one disagrees that bama had taken control and, sure, probably would have kept us out of the endzone. i'm not blaming losing the game on that one call or even 3-4 bad calls. the point is they once again took the game out of the hands of the players. it would have been nice to at least get the ball like we were deserved. we may not have scored, we may have fumbled the next play. but it can't be denied that sec refs have a far bigger influence on the outcome of games than they should. this is just more evidence of that.

You're really missing the point; but that's OK, the rest of the conference hasn't. First of all, EVERYONE knows it was an interception. The fact the author of the little article you posted doesn't acknowledge this destroys his cred right there.

Second, we're not talking about overall penalty stats; we're talking about specific, CRUCIAL plays, occurring at CRUCIAL times in a game. Here's what we have: we don't know (at least I don't know) Mr Hodge's background and potential affiliations, but we DO know Mr Burleson's. Do I think there's a huge potential conspiracy, do I think Saban, Slive, and Burleson meet in the gym basement and plot Bama world domination? No. But I DO think having the league office in Birmingham leads to sort of institutional bias toward the Univ. of AL. I DO think Burleson's allegiances DO play a part in his decision-making, or lack thereof (example: last Saturday, LSU vs. AL.) I DO think the SEC office needs to be moved OUT of the State of AL.

I can't comment on the LSU/Bama game, I didn't watch it, with the exception of the replayed interception. It was an interception and a bad call.

IMHO, looking at stats makes proving anything in this area difficult to impossible.

As example though, I did watch the Florida/Arkansas game. For about 3 1/2 quarters, the game was called rather fairly/evenly I thought. However, with about 8 minutes left and Florida trailing the 'tone' of the game changed in the officiating and it started with the "judgement call" pass interference. It could've been called, or not, that's a judgement call.
Earlier in the game it wasn't being called. It also wasn't called as offensive pass interference went Cooper tackled a D-back to prevent an interception in Florida's game winning series.

When one team is allowed to play aggressively (non-calls) while the other is forced to be more disciplined it effects the play on the field. Not only that but it also frustrates the team that's not allowed to play as aggressively as their opponent. That's even more the case when it wasn't being called earlier.

Those non-calls for O PI and the late hit out of bounds etc effected the game as much as the bogus personal foul. The bogus personal foul was just adding insult to injury.

Vanderbilt's Bobby Johnson has complained about the 'better' (ranked teams) of the SEC getting the benefit of the doubt on calls for years.
Someone I was speaking with recently likened this to Greg Maddox getting the just off the plate, outside called strike, while a rookie pitcher, with the same umpire wouldn't get the call.
That dynamic was on public display in the Florida Arkansas game and contributed to a team of officials getting suspended.

Is it a conspiracy? I don't think so, but it is a problem that needs addressed and fixed.

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heartbreakTiger

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that isn't the only time yall have been on probation.

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I didn't say it was the only time we have been on probation. But there is a difference between probation for cheating and probation for something stupid like textbooks. The textbook thing was not anything to do with cheating

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If anybody has any real facts instead of whining, feel free to post them.

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Here you go. How about penalties from the two games that Bama struggled in.

Tennessee - 8 for 68 yards
Bama - 1 for 10 yards

LSU - 8 for 43 yards
Bama - 4 for 20 yards

No reason for the refs to blow their cover in games where Bama should win easily, save it for the games Bama might need help. See how easy it is to skew stats for you're argument.

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If the SEC office were to be moved to New Orleans it would have a lesser chance of being corrupt

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I think this is a joke. If not though... New Orleans is and always has been the most corrupt city in America.

That CBS link for the penalties was awesome. Check out Bama and penalties per game in 2008 and 2007. #1. Remember that when Saban was at LSU, we were nearly always at the bottom... the CONSPIRACY LIVES ON!!!

I didn't expect you guys to be able to read past the first paragraph or two. But, the point was not about whether or not the call is right or wrong, the point is that there are NO stats that support a conspiracy.

You morons act like because the stats were printed on a "gump website" (which happens to be more pro-Auburn for what it's worth) that they're not actual stats. I could print them on your mother's worn out arse, and they're still the actual stats. Just explain to me how Bama is getting all the calls, yet we're ranked right in the middle of the SEC in penalties?