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re: If the FWAA is a legit claim....
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:00 pm to GruvenDawg
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:00 pm to GruvenDawg
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I think Bama claims plenty of titles other teams wouldn’t touch. crimson colored glasses there bud.
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1941 - Alabama’s claim is the most ridiculous ever. The Tide were shut out twice, finished No. 20 in the AP Poll, and waited four decades to claim this, based literally on one man’s analysis.
1964: Unbeaten Arkansas. Bama claims, but lost its bowl
1973: Notre Dame beat Alabama in a No. 1 vs. No. 3 bowl. Ignore Bama’s claim to this season, unless you’d also like to ignore the game between the two at the end of the 2012 season. SRS considers once-tied Oklahoma the best non-World War II team ever, by the way, and the Playoff would’ve been nuts this year
1978: USC and Alabama split the polls. USC beat Alabama by 10 in Birmingham.
Sounds to me like you just don't know shite about history or how these things worked.
Plenty of schools lost bowl games after being named national champions. Because bowl games were considered exhibition games. Notre Dame wouldn't even play in bowl games until they started doing the polls after the bowls were played.
So if you think Alabama's 1964 claim is bullshite, then it's just because you're a dumbass.
1973 is the same thing. The UPI changed it after the fact, but when it was any other team but Alabama doing it, it wasn't a problem.
1978 - Alabama lost to USC at the start of the year, but USC lost to Arizona St IIRC later in the year, which caused the split national championship. Alabama was like #2 and played the #1 team in a bowl game at the end of the year(Penn St) and won. #3 USC went and played like #8 Big10 team in the Rose Bowl.
Sounds to me like you just don't know shite about football.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 7:02 pm
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Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:02 pm to 3down10
Bowl games were played after the polls. They changed the polls final release to after the bowl games because everyone knew they weren’t exhibition games
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:03 pm to 3down10
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What? I was replying to someone saying the NCAA recognized a football national champion. They don't.
They recognize several selectors that do. That’s why hj was referring to. That the ncaa recognizes it as a legitimate claim.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:05 pm to Oklahomey
LSU and IOWA are champions in 1958 just like LSU and Alabama are champions in 2011
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:05 pm to 3down10
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1978 - Alabama lost to USC at the start of the year
So Alabama lost head to head against the other top team...OK
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:05 pm to GruvenDawg
SBNation is trash Bunch of low T writers
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:07 pm to GruvenDawg
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Bowl games were played after the polls. They changed the polls final release to after the bowl games because everyone knew they weren’t exhibition games
Hey dipshit, go fricking google it. The AP poll changed after 1964 and the Coaches changed after 1973.
Like I said, you're just a dumbass running his mouth without a fricking clue.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:10 pm to NYCAuburn
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They recognize several selectors that do. That’s why hj was referring to. That the ncaa recognizes it as a legitimate claim.
They have a webpage that lists shite people claim. It only appeared a few years ago, and has recently been shite upon by some web content editor doing whatever they want.
To say it's the NCAA actually doing anything officially as an organization is just plain false.
I haven't looked lately - Do you see Colley Matrix on their for anything other than UCF? Do you see their "champion" listed every year?
Which btw has never in it's history awarded a national championship and was only a voter in the BCS computer part.
Would be like allowing a coaches poll voter to declare a national championship.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:14 pm to GruvenDawg
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So Alabama lost head to head against the other top team...OK
And yet for some reason the AP still thought Alabama was better.
Cry more, because I certainly don't expect you to understand the significance of #1 and #2 playing in a bowl game.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:19 pm to 3down10
Maybe you should google it..her I will do it for you..
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“Through the 1973 season, the final Coaches Poll was released in early December, after the regular season, but before the bowl games. Beginning with the 1974 season, the Coaches Poll has conducted its final poll in January, after the bowl games”
From another google search for you...
Not to keep picking on Alabama, but it can't be ignored that the Crimson Tide have several disputable titles. One of the easier to point out is the 1973 national championship.
Alabama was the No. 1-ranked team at the end of the regular season in both the AP Poll and the Coaches' Poll. Beginning in 1965, the AP held a postseason poll after the bowl games, but the UPI did not. As a result, Alabama was awarded the national championship.
The Tide faced Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl, with the Irish ranked third in the AP and fourth in the UPI. Notre Dame would win the game 24-23 in thrilling fashion, finishing first in the final AP poll.
Wikipedia
“Through the 1973 season, the final Coaches Poll was released in early December, after the regular season, but before the bowl games. Beginning with the 1974 season, the Coaches Poll has conducted its final poll in January, after the bowl games”
From another google search for you...
Not to keep picking on Alabama, but it can't be ignored that the Crimson Tide have several disputable titles. One of the easier to point out is the 1973 national championship.
Alabama was the No. 1-ranked team at the end of the regular season in both the AP Poll and the Coaches' Poll. Beginning in 1965, the AP held a postseason poll after the bowl games, but the UPI did not. As a result, Alabama was awarded the national championship.
The Tide faced Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl, with the Irish ranked third in the AP and fourth in the UPI. Notre Dame would win the game 24-23 in thrilling fashion, finishing first in the final AP poll.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:19 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I think it’s bs we don’t claim that one. That’s a team that Vince Lombardi said, “we haven’t played Alabama yet” after someone asked him how does it feel to be the best team in the world after Super Bowl I.
Yet because two polls arbitrarily decided they weren’t the best team, they don’t get honored on the walk of champions, on a flag in stadium, or the pre game video.
That to me is ridiculous and a real shame for the guys on that team.
It's not bullshite that we don't claim it, it's bullshite that we weren't awarded it. But we weren't, that's life, political reasons, etc. We don't claim it, and I'm glad we don't.
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I agree with this, but these are systems all the teams agreed to play under to crown a single national champion. That wasn’t the case before the bowl alliance.
What I outlined was the basic standard for all schools claiming national championships until about 10 years ago.
The exception to the rule was Alabama's 1941 claim, which Alabama gets deserving ribbing for. Especially since the claim didn't even start until like the 70/80's or something like that. Many years after the fact. They should remove it.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:28 pm to VagueMessage
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Either way, it's kind of lame to hang your hat too much on a couple of championships from 40 and 50 years ago, unless you competed on that team or watched it happen in real time. I'm 30, I'm ready for something to brag about in my own life time.
I did watch it happen and I'm fine with claiming it. Some of your information is wrong, but the truth is that several teams could claim the '77 title. Notre Dame lost to unranked Ole Miss, which was the worst loss for all the teams with a claim. Alabama has a strong claim as well.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:40 pm to 3down10
Sorry you got so triggered
I simply stated 1941, 1964, and 1973 are all extremely questionable. 1976 was a split poll but you lost the head to head.
The only one that can be legitimately claimed is 1976. FYI the coaches poll changed in 1974 because the debacle of claiming Alabama a national champion before the bowl games. They joined the AP after that season in waiting until after the bowl games for their final poll. I am well aware of WHEN it changed and WHY it changed. Perhaps you should slow your roll on calling people out when your WRONG.
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I think Bama claims plenty of titles other teams wouldn’t touch. Crimson colored glasses there bud
I simply stated 1941, 1964, and 1973 are all extremely questionable. 1976 was a split poll but you lost the head to head.
The only one that can be legitimately claimed is 1976. FYI the coaches poll changed in 1974 because the debacle of claiming Alabama a national champion before the bowl games. They joined the AP after that season in waiting until after the bowl games for their final poll. I am well aware of WHEN it changed and WHY it changed. Perhaps you should slow your roll on calling people out when your WRONG.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:50 pm to 3down10
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Hey dipshit, go fricking google it. The AP poll changed after 1964 and the Coaches changed after 1973. Like I said, you're just a dumbass running his mouth without a fricking clue.
I said they changed the polls to after bowl games. Not sure why you thought a history lesson was necessary. I am well aware when the polls changed. As a matter of fact I pointed out why several of Alabama’s claims were extremely questionable. 1973 made the coaches poll finally wait until after bowl season... good lord man go find your safe space.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 8:36 pm to GruvenDawg
Well I can see you googled some shite, which is good.
Now google the list of teams who were awarded a national championship by polls before the bowl games who then went on to lose their bowl games after.
It was only a problem because people have been butthurt about Alabama my entire life. When other teams did it no problem.
Now google the list of teams who were awarded a national championship by polls before the bowl games who then went on to lose their bowl games after.
It was only a problem because people have been butthurt about Alabama my entire life. When other teams did it no problem.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 8:41 pm to GruvenDawg
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I said they changed the polls to after bowl games. Not sure why you thought a history lesson was necessary. I am well aware when the polls changed. As a matter of fact I pointed out why several of Alabama’s claims were extremely questionable. 1973 made the coaches poll finally wait until after bowl season... good lord man go find your safe space.
And as I've pointed out, if you think they are questionable then it's because you simply don't know football history and how things worked.
But hey, go ahead and blame Alabama because the polls voted them #1 if it makes you feel better.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 8:44 pm to 3down10
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Everyone complains about Alabama, but everyone else uses Alabama as an excuse to claim titles Alabama wouldn't even remotely touch.
Name a title more bullshite than Bamas
Posted on 6/4/19 at 8:49 pm to 3down10
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It was only a problem because people have been butthurt about Alabama my entire life.
and yet here you are, the most butthurt poster in the thread over Ole Miss claiming 3 national championships...
[/quote] When other teams did it no problem. [/quote]
are you seeing the irony? everyone else is.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 8:57 pm to REBSontheRISE
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Are you seeing the irony? everyone else is.
He can’t. He needs to take off those crimson colored glasses he looks at the world with.
They have the greatest coach of all time at their school and they get pissed when someone brings up that several of their claimed national championships are bullshite.
BTW if bowl games were exhibition games then why does the NCAA count them in school and coach win loss totals? Dude is fricken blind.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 9:19 pm to 3down10
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It's a bull shite claim.
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