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If the FWAA is a legit claim....
Posted on 6/4/19 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 5:36 pm
which I don’t think it is, but if some on here say it is due to the fact Olé Miss received the nod in 1960, are LSU fans ok with being co-national champions in 1958 with Iowa?
Iowa went 8-1-1; LSU went 11-0. But yeah, the FWAA thought Iowa was the better choice.
Iowa went 8-1-1; LSU went 11-0. But yeah, the FWAA thought Iowa was the better choice.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 5:37 pm to Oklahomey
quote:The NCAA disagrees with you
which I don’t think it is
Posted on 6/4/19 at 5:50 pm to Oklahomey
Co-championships pre-1998 is pretty commonplace. Personally, I don't have any issue with co-titles with other teams where there was almost no crossover games between common opponents or leagues. It's a guess.
If I was a LSU fan I'd say we won the 1958 national title, awesome.
If I was a LSU fan I'd say we won the 1958 national title, awesome.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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If I was a LSU fan I'd say we won the 1958 national title
We already do. There's one from the 30's or 40's that seems to be debated, so we don't claim it even though we probably should.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:02 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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We already do. There's one from the 30's or 40's that seems to be debated, so we don't claim it even though we probably should.
Yea I know, I'm just saying that Iowa claiming that year because of the FWAA wouldn't make me think or act any differently.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yea I know, I'm just saying that Iowa claiming that year because of the FWAA wouldn't make me think or act any differently.
I hadn't lost any sleep over it yet, but know that you've brought it to my attention...
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:14 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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The NCAA disagrees with you
The NCAA just lists selectors and who they awarded their trophy to.
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Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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If I was a LSU fan I'd say we won the 1958 national title, awesome.
Honestly I don’t understand why teams don’t claim every national title possible. Unless it’s like our ‘41 claim, people aren’t really going to call you out on it, and pre bowl alliance most years are debatable.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:30 pm to Oklahomey
The only truly bullshite claim is that Alabama one from the 40s where they had two losses and finished number 20.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah, same with Alabama and Arkansas sharing a split for the '64 title. Obviously Arkansas has a legit claim, but it makes for good trolling between fan bases at least.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:33 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Honestly I don’t understand why teams don’t claim every national title possible. Unless it’s like our ‘41 claim, people aren’t really going to call you out on it, and pre bowl alliance most years are debatable.
I agree with this.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:34 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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The NCAA disagrees with you
No they don't. The NCAA doesn't award national championships in football and has nothing to do with them.
It's a bullshite claim.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:35 pm to TeLeFaWx
Any math poll after 1936 is a bullshite claim.
Everyone complains about Alabama, but everyone else uses Alabama as an excuse to claim titles Alabama wouldn't even remotely touch.
Everyone complains about Alabama, but everyone else uses Alabama as an excuse to claim titles Alabama wouldn't even remotely touch.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:37 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Honestly I don’t understand why teams don’t claim every national title possible. Unless it’s like our ‘41 claim, people aren’t really going to call you out on it, and pre bowl alliance most years are debatable.
I honestly think the '77 Arkansas title we have a technical claim to is kind of weak. We lost to Texas, who lost to national champion Notre Dame in what basically would have been the NC Game, but we beat #3 Oklahoma in our bowl. All three of those teams ended 11–1. Most Arkansas fans never pay that one much mind, it's not like the '64 one where we're pretty objectively the national champions. Either way, it's kind of lame to hang your hat too much on a couple of championships from 40 and 50 years ago, unless you competed on that team or watched it happen in real time. I'm 30, I'm ready for something to brag about in my own life time.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:38 pm to 3down10
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It's a bullshite claim.
Claiming a title in a year where you were the only undefeated power conference team isn’t bs. I don’t care who the polls picked. The polls were biased against southern teams for a long time.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:48 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Claiming a title in a year where you were the only undefeated power conference team isn’t bs. I don’t care who the polls picked. The polls were biased against southern teams for a long time.
It's total bullshite. Which is why they just started claiming this shite in recent years.
While the methods for selecting the national championships have changed over the years, during those eras there are methods that are legit and methods that aren't.
Pre-1936 - Math polls are valid, it's all there was. They are terrible, and retroactive even then, but that's what the deal was. People also claim Rose Bowl championships, which is borderline, but pre1936 is pretty much the wild west of national championships, basically claim whatever you want.
The AP poll appears in 1936, thus negating the need for math polls. I might would grant a tiny bit of a grace period because the early AP polls were really biased, but not very much. Add the coaches poll(UPI) to this one when it started.
And until the BCS era, everything else is basically bullshite. You don't see Alabama claiming the 1966 National Championship, because Alabama didn't win it despite being national champions the previous 2 years and going undefeated.
And then in the BCS era, anything other than the BCS is bullshite. USC's AP claim - bullshite claim. We've progressed beyond polls by this point. They aren't legit national champions anymore.
And now we are in the CFP era and the only national champions are those who win the CFP.
If the national championship doesn't line up with the era, then it's a bullshite claim. Which includes Alabama's 1941 claim, even though the AP rank of #20 is equally as bad.
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Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:51 pm to 3down10
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No they don't. The NCAA doesn't award national championships in football and has nothing to do with them. It's a bullshite claim.
Using this logic no schools have a football championship...
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:56 pm to NYCAuburn
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Using this logic no schools have a football championship...
What? I was replying to someone saying the NCAA recognized a football national champion. They don't.
Doesn't mean there aren't valid national championships or anything close to it.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:56 pm to 3down10
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but everyone else uses Alabama as an excuse to claim titles Alabama wouldn't even remotely touch
I think Bama claims plenty of titles other teams wouldn’t touch. crimson colored glasses there bud.
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1941 - Alabama’s claim is the most ridiculous ever. The Tide were shut out twice, finished No. 20 in the AP Poll, and waited four decades to claim this, based literally on one man’s analysis.
1964: Unbeaten Arkansas. Bama claims, but lost its bowl
1973: Notre Dame beat Alabama in a No. 1 vs. No. 3 bowl. Ignore Bama’s claim to this season, unless you’d also like to ignore the game between the two at the end of the 2012 season. SRS considers once-tied Oklahoma the best non-World War II team ever, by the way, and the Playoff would’ve been nuts this year
1978: USC and Alabama split the polls. USC beat Alabama by 10 in Birmingham.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:59 pm to 3down10
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You don't see Alabama claiming the 1966 National Championship, because Alabama didn't win it despite being national champions the previous 2 years and going undefeated.
I think it’s bs we don’t claim that one. That’s a team that Vince Lombardi said, “we haven’t played Alabama yet” after someone asked him how does it feel to be the best team in the world after Super Bowl I.
Yet because two polls arbitrarily decided they weren’t the best team, they don’t get honored on the walk of champions, on a flag in stadium, or the pre game video.
That to me is ridiculous and a real shame for the guys on that team.
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And then in the BCS era, anything other than the BCS is bullshite. USC's AP claim - bullshite claim. We've progressed beyond polls by this point. They aren't legit national champions anymore. And now we are in the CFP era and the only national champions are those who win the CFP.
I agree with this, but these are systems all the teams agreed to play under to crown a single national champion. That wasn’t the case before the bowl alliance.
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