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re: If Saban had never coached at LSU, who is more likely to win a title there?
Posted on 3/10/21 at 12:50 pm to baseballcoach23
Posted on 3/10/21 at 12:50 pm to baseballcoach23
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It's funny because it's true. If you're going to say Les Mile's won with Saban's recruit, then you'll have to say the same for all the other coaches in CFB that won it within 3-4 years after the previous coach.
Not if you actually take the time to look at who the core players on the team were and who they were recruited by.
Which I have done.
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Posted on 3/10/21 at 12:53 pm to droliver
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neither of them win a title without Saban having established the culture of winning prior and the infrastructure required.
I don't think Miles, and certainly not Coach O, have the organizational skills to build a middling program to greatness.
Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know. Saban certainly brought LSU to the table though.
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It's also become clear that neither of those guys really have those skills to maintain a program either
Miles went to another national championship and Orgeron has only had one season so not sure what you're referring to here.
Its kind of odd to say that Miles couldn't maintain a program yet you turn around and say LSU has only won because of Saban.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 12:55 pm to Lemonpuppy
If not for Saban, LSU would be a better Ole Miss. That's about it.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 12:55 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Look at the core players on each team then check when they signed with LSU.
Giving the head coach who recruited them more credit for their success than those who coached them for 3 seasons was a dumb argument in 2007 and is still dumb today.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 12:55 pm to SidewalkTiger
Les was a good recruiter but could not develop a QB. O recruited Burrow who was a GOAT. Who knows what LSU does from here. Recruiting looks promising
Posted on 3/10/21 at 1:02 pm to SidewalkTiger
Les's 2007 LSU team was loaded on both sides of the ball, especially the trenches, great FB in Hester, big time wide receivers. That team had no business losing 2 games, especially to Kentucky. Yet, still won it all in 1 of those crazy years.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 1:03 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Giving the head coach who recruited them more credit for their success than those who coached them for 3 seasons was a dumb argument in 2007 and is still dumb today.
Not when thats basically the only differentiator.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 1:04 pm to Lemonpuppy
Gerry "Bring Back the Magic" DiNardo. He just needed a couple more years.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 1:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Not if you actually take the time to look at who the core players on the team were and who they were recruited by.
Which I have done.
Good for you. I also took the time to see who were recruited by who. I also happen to know that it's help have a group of core players but you cannot neglects the fact that majority of the roster were recruited and coached by the coach that won the NC.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 1:13 pm to baseballcoach23
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Good for you. I also took the time to see who were recruited by who. I also happen to know that it's help have a group of core players but you cannot neglects the fact that majority of the roster were recruited and coached by the coach that won the NC.
I agree.
However we're looking at Orgeron vs Miles here, they both had the same time so you have to look at which of the best players they recruited themselves as the only differentiator.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 1:52 pm to Lemonpuppy
Les was given the keys to a brand new Lamborghini
O was given the keys to that same Lamborghini that hadn't really seen a mechanic in 11 years and was missing its spare tire.
O was given the keys to that same Lamborghini that hadn't really seen a mechanic in 11 years and was missing its spare tire.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 1:57 pm to Lemonpuppy
Les Miles easily. He is the superior coach of the two. The goofy son of a bitch won 10 games a year on average for his entire decade + tenure. Sure his schemes may have become outdated, but you can't argue with his results. Miles coached in the SEC during the true glory years of 05-2016.
Auburn was really good, Florida was tremendous, Bama was elite, A&M had some really good years with Manziel, etc etc. Miles is the better coach.
Orgeron is a bumbling idiot Chizik 2.0 who caught lightning in a bottle in 2019, and returned to his true form in 2020.
Auburn was really good, Florida was tremendous, Bama was elite, A&M had some really good years with Manziel, etc etc. Miles is the better coach.
Orgeron is a bumbling idiot Chizik 2.0 who caught lightning in a bottle in 2019, and returned to his true form in 2020.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 2:09 pm to C Nite
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Les Miles easily. He is the superior coach of the two. The goofy son of a bitch won 10 games a year on average for his entire decade + tenure. Sure his schemes may have become outdated, but you can't argue with his results. Miles coached in the SEC during the true glory years of 05-2016.
Miles won because it was simply easier to out talent and overwhelm your opponents before offenses changed.
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Orgeron is a bumbling idiot Chizik 2.0 who caught lightning in a bottle in 2019, and returned to his true form in 2020
He won 9 games then 10 then 15 then 5. I'd argue "returning to his true form" would be somewhere around 10 wins.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 2:14 pm to Lemonpuppy
I don’t think either wins a natty. LSU was a mess when Saban got there. He righted the ship and made LSU a player in recruiting and a national power. Without that foundation I don’t think LSU wins it in 2007 or 2019
Posted on 3/10/21 at 2:21 pm to Ted2010
you maybe right. Before Saban got to LSU, the facilities for football were subpar. Joe Dean was AD as was terrible at that. Mark Emmert came in and brought Saban in and LSU began to invest in facilites and infrastructer. LSU became a power.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 2:24 pm to baseballcoach23
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If you really want to back it up. Saban's won with Gerry DiNardo's players.
^^^^^
This
I’m so tired of the BS Les won with Sabans players
Saban couldn’t wait to sign with LSU after we kicked his arse at Michigan State.
He knew the talent that was available in Louisiana (and still does)
Who would have won a National Championship at bama if Saban didn’t go there?
If if if
Posted on 3/10/21 at 2:31 pm to ECOTIGER
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It hurts to say that knowing he's at Bama but most LSU fans with a brain realize the importance of Saban spending time in Baton Rouge.
No doubt but there is more than just thar. LSU has been poorly ran and managed more often than not but also is the program with the most potential in the SEC. Saban is fantastic but he would have never won a NC at Michigan State. Other programs have invested the money in facilities and paid top staffs and haven’t won shite.
It takes the coach and the program.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 2:58 pm to Lemonpuppy
I'll say Coach O. Now answer this:
How many coach's would bama have gone through, or who would have seen success there?
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If Saban never coached at bama, would anyone have won a title there?
How many coach's would bama have gone through, or who would have seen success there?
Posted on 3/10/21 at 3:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
What other coaches was LSU going after in 2000?
Posted on 3/10/21 at 3:08 pm to Lemonpuppy
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If Saban had never coached at LSU
alabama would be searching for their 9th coach since 2000 and as relevant as Nebraska.
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 3:54 pm
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