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Posted on 9/21/21 at 8:55 pm to Porky
quote:Dude won them a Natty! LOL
I hate to admit it but that's funny.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 8:59 pm to 3down10
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I'm hoping for Pruitt.
We all are. D coord needs an "I will fight you on your lawn" attitude
Sorry, Coach O. That doesn't apply to HCs and no one ever wanted you as a D Coord. That is a shrimp boat missed.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:01 pm to 3down10
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2017 Pruitt, not 2016 Pruitt right?
I’d take both
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:01 pm to Iron Balls McGinty
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Thank you, Coach Saban for not letting him get away to OU.
Coach Saban should consult you and the rest of this threader, sans; me & 3&10.
I'll trust Saban's personnel moves. The results speak for themselves over the last 14 yrs.
Really, who are you people and why do you carry the Bama avatar?
Seems mighty peculiar to me.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:41 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I’d take both
So you were good with the 30 pts he gave up to that shitty Arkansas team? They went 7-6 on the year, not the #11 team we just gave up 29 too.
Of course, that was after we gave up 43 to Ole miss earlier in the year. They went 5-7.
And of course the 35 we gave up to Clemson in the NCG.
Meanwhile, Alabama had the #1 defense last year under Golding. and you all want to fire him because he gave up 29 points to the #11 team.
Good thing you knee jerk emotional babies aren't in charge.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:45 pm to 3down10
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So you were good with the 30 pts he gave up to that shitty Arkansas team?
They also had a pick-six. So about a net of 23 points given up with some of that coming in garbage time.
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Of course, that was after we gave up 43 to Ole miss earlier in the year. They went 5-7.
They gave up 37 offensive points. They also had 2 defensive TDs.
To me a defense that gives up 37 but scores 14 did the same as a defense that gave up 23 but scores nothing. Because scoring TDs does count and affect the final score. But yes not their best game.
quote:That's what happens when your offense has ZERO sustained drives longer then like 2.5 minutes. They had quite a few drives around 1 minute and 12 punts.
And of course the 35 we gave up to Clemson in the NCG.
Any defense in CFB history would’ve gotten worn out had they no rest against an elite offense with NFL talent.
Hell I remember 2 instances the defense forced turnovers inside Clemson territory only for the offense to come away with negative 9 yards and one FG.
Do you blame that 2019 Bama defense more then the offense for the Iron Bowl loss? That defense gave up a 11 play 75 yard game winning drive to Bo Nix and company.
I know you don’t because context matters. The offense’s performance in that game hurt the team more then the defense did. Same for the 1st title loss to Clemson. The defense got no rest.
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Meanwhile, Alabama had the #1 defense
By every metric that 2016 defense was leagues better then that 2020 defense. The 2016 defense finished no. 1 in scoring, total, and had 10 defensive TDs.
By every major metric, Pruitt’s defenses as a whole have been better compared to Golding’s defenses.
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you knee jerk emotional babies
The irony coming from an extremely emotional poster. How many times have you easily lost your cool over on the Alabama board?
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:59 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
Aggie, please shut up and go to sleep.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:01 am to BFANLC
You’d have to fire the head guy first.
Protocol.
Now… what are your options.
Protocol.
Now… what are your options.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:10 am to BFANLC
Ill trade u Todd Grantham.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:20 am to 3down10
quote:Dear god man. This almost feels like you’re defending Golding at the expense of throwing Saban under the bus. Have you lost your damn mind?
And hell, any of us can see the lack of effort in the team etc. I'm not sure how that falls on the DC, other than it's as far uphill as most Alabama fans have the balls to take it. Seems like it falls on the entire coaching staff and players to me. They are ALL responsible, not just Golding.
That's not Golding's defense out there, it's Saban's. The only thing Golding does is call plays etc. Saban hires them to run his defense, not to run Golding's own defense. And he seems to do a decent job of that most of the time. Good adjustments are normally made at halftime, #1 defense last year.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 12:21 am
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:24 am to BFANLC
Legend can do it. He knows everything there is to know.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:31 am to abellsujr
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Dear god man. This almost feels like you’re defending Golding at the expense of throwing Saban under the bus. Have you lost your damn mind?
And yet here we have people who are questioning his decision to hire Golding. And this didn't just start this year, this has been going on since 2019.
Still Saban not only didn't fire him, but gave him a raise.
I'm not the one claiming I know better than Saban on who should be the DC. So maybe I'm saying that people are over-reacting and that Saban has this.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:40 am to 3down10
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If Saban fires Golding, I'm hoping for Pruitt.
But even he has laid a few eggs over the years
In his 29 games as Bama’s defensive coordinator, Pruitt’s defenses gave up more than 20 points seven times and given up more than 30 points three times. And in the three games Bama’s defenses gave up 30 points, one of the games was against Arkansas when they scored a bunch of points in garbage time. A second game was against Clemson when Jalen played terribly, the offense couldn’t stay on the field and sustain drives and the defense got worn out going up against a great, great QB in Deshaun Watson. Where’s the “few eggs that he’ve laid”? I just see one bad defensive game, the 2016 game against Ole Miss. Golding’s had five or six games worse than that over the past three years.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 12:47 am to Bench McElroy
Joe Lee Dunn don't wear no socks, and he resides in Alabama. He's the perfect match for Saban vs the Lane Train.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:14 am to 1BamaRTR
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They also had a pick-six. So about a net of 23 points given up with some of that coming in garbage time.
Arkansas. And weird, people were sure melting about it at the time.
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They gave up 37 offensive points. They also had 2 defensive TDs.
To me a defense that gives up 37 but scores 14 did the same as a defense that gave up 23 but scores nothing. Because scoring TDs does count and affect the final score. But yes not their best game.
Well that's a bunch of excuse making if I ever saw it. It's ok because the defense scored some points?
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That's what happens when your offense has ZERO sustained drives longer then like 2.5 minutes. They had quite a few drives around 1 minute and 12 punts.
Any defense in CFB history would’ve gotten worn out had they no rest against an elite offense with NFL talent.
Ah yes, it was Jalen's fault, even though the last time he touched the ball Alabama had the lead.
Ok fine.
But in 2019, when the defense held LSU the entire 3rd quarter and the offense failed to score a TD outside a quick TD strike to Devonta(talk about quick drives), and the defense just eventually ran out of gas in the 4th quarter - well that's all defenses fault.
Have you ever looked at the time of possession for that LSU game? Or the play by plays? It's just like Clemson 2016.
Yet in that game it was Jalens fault. But in 2019, it was Goldings fault.
Here are how long the drives for Alabama last in that game:
1: 7 plays, 63 yards - 2:59 - fumble
2: 5 plays, 15 yards - 1:10 - fumble
3: 3 plays, 4 yards - 1:23 - punt
4: 7 plays, 26 yards - 3:15 - blocked punt
5: 4 plays, 90 yards - 1:20 - touchdown(D.Smith)
6: 3 plays, 0 yards - 1:41 - punt
7: 1 play, 0 yards - 0:15 - interception putting them in RZ
That's the first half. Alabama defense was off balance and was never given time to recover. But they made adjustments, got a turnover and shut LSU out until the last 2 drives. What did the offense do? Nothing until Najee Harris at the end of the 3rd.
8: 3 plays, 7 yards - 1:19 - punt
Defenses forced a LSU punt, and now Najee starts getting carries. Gonna stop here because the rest is both teams trading TDs.
Prior to that, the offense gave the defense absolutely no support the entire game. But everyone worships at the feet of Tua, so gotta blame the defense. Which of course wasn't great, but it should have been enough.
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Hell I remember 2 instances the defense forced turnovers inside Clemson territory only for the offense to come away with negative 9 yards and one FG.
Happens in many games. You think that is worse than throwing a pic on 1st down with 20 seconds left in the game on your own 26 yard line? I don't.
Besides, one would have been a 45 yard attempt. That would have been a miss.
Side note: On the start of both those drives, Cam Robinson had a false start penalty on the 1st play of each.
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Do you blame that 2019 Bama defense more then the offense for the Iron Bowl loss? That defense gave up a 11 play 75 yard game winning drive to Bo Nix and company.
No, Mac Jones lost that game. But he also showed he was going to be really good and what has was capable of outside the mistakes.
Not going to say the 2019 defense was great, as it wasn't. However despite the injuries and having to start Shane Lee at MLB(who still isn't seeing the 2 deep 2 years later), he somehow still had a defense that kept us in those games. Meanwhile, the offenses were out there losing the games.
But no, none of you guys can see that, you see the final results, no context and scream towards whatever bias you have. In 2019, it was anything to avoid blaming Tua.
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I know you don’t because context matters. The offense’s performance in that game hurt the team more then the defense did. Same for the 1st title loss to Clemson. The defense got no rest.
Same amount of time for the most part as the 2019 LSU game. Only Golding was dealing with extreme amounts of injuries and didn't have near the same talent on the field. And Golding was doing it against one of the best offenses ever.
How's that for context?
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By every metric that 2016 defense was leagues better then that 2020 defense. The 2016 defense finished no. 1 in scoring, total, and had 10 defensive TDs.
By every major metric, Pruitt’s defenses as a whole have been better compared to Golding’s defenses.
You are overstating the difference between them. It's like #1 vs #3 etc.
And 2016 had more talent, that front 7 was nasty.
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The irony coming from an extremely emotional poster. How many times have you easily lost your cool over on the Alabama board?
I've never lost my cool. I just speak my mind and don't give a shite if you like it. If you want it sugar coated, go to a bakery. Otherwise, get thicker skin, it's not the end of the world when someone calls you a dumbass.
But you all said he was getting fired back then, I said you were full of shite. He got a raise, and you all just keep looking for the next thing to blame so you can feel better about what you saw in a football game.
The funny thing - you really aren't even arguing with me. I'm just repeating what Nick Saban has said. You guys are the ones who think you know better than Saban.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 1:19 am
Posted on 9/22/21 at 1:17 am to Bench McElroy
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In his 29 games as Bama’s defensive coordinator, Pruitt’s defenses gave up more than 20 points seven times and given up more than 30 points three times. And in the three games Bama’s defenses gave up 30 points, one of the games was against Arkansas when they scored a bunch of points in garbage time. A second game was against Clemson when Jalen played terribly, the offense couldn’t stay on the field and sustain drives and the defense got worn out going up against a great, great QB in Deshaun Watson. Where’s the “few eggs that he’ve laid”? I just see one bad defensive game, the 2016 game against Ole Miss. Golding’s had five or six games worse than that over the past three years.
So all the injuries in 2019 don't matter? And you think the offense did great in 2019 against LSU and Auburn?
Read above. You all blame Jalen, but kiss Tua's arse for a worse performance. And here come the injury excuses.
But I'm the one who doesn't understand context.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 5:11 am to 3down10
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Meanwhile, Alabama had the #1 defense last year under Golding. and you all want to fire him because he gave up 29 points to the #11 team.
You are picking your stats in this argument. The fact is that points will be given up, but the defensive effort and knowing your assignment is what it's about.
BAMA was only the best defensive team in the SEC, 13th in the country in 2020. But you knew that when you threw it out there.
On talent alone, BAMA will overwhelm offenses that pose no schematic risk to our DC. For the Mullens, Kiffin's out there we will always have OCs who can outmaneuver Golding's Xs and Os. And even with 2 seasoned ILBers, who are on the Butkus list, they still look like freshmen against these OCs. Those teams are where Golding continues to show the same disappointing results.
By the way, Jeremy Pruitt finished the 2016 season for BAMA as the #1 defensive team in the country. And with all the injuries we encountered in 2017, Pruitt still had the #1 defense in the nation and a national championship.
Golding hasn't been in the top 10 yet, in any year.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:11 am to 3down10
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Well that's a bunch of excuse making if I ever saw it. It's ok because the defense scored some points?
What a lame rebuttal. I could say the same about almost everything you say after this. But I’m not going to because I agree context matters. I also know you agree defensive scores matter because you say Mac’s pick-sixes cost Bama in the IB. Otherwise you’re seriously telling me a defense that forces turnovers and scores TD doesn’t matter at all. I know you’re not that dumb.
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Have you ever looked at the time of possession for that LSU game? Or the play by plays? It's just like Clemson 2016. Yet in that game it was Jalens fault. But in 2019, it was Goldings fault.
Actually I blame Sark for that game. Horrible play calling by him to give Jacobs and Harris a combined 6 carries and making Hurts throw too much. Even though he knew Hurts was struggling.
I could ask you something similar. Why is it you so vehemently defend Golding’s defense in the 2019 losses, but never apply that same level in defending Bama’s defense in 2016? YOU yourself basically just said the circumstances are similar in both games. Yet you defend the defense in one and attack them in the other.
But here’s the thing, I never said it was all Golding’s fault. You agree context matters. I also agree it does. I think the offense made plenty of mistakes in both 2019 losses. Just like I think the defense could’ve been more consistent in those 2016 games.
I think by metrics Pruitt’s defenses were better. I’m not arguing for Golding to be fired. I didn’t even say he sucks, just that I think Pruitt is better. Though I would prefer if Saban consider making Golding focus solely on the defense while someone else took over the ILB coaching.
I’m arguing that I think that even 2016 Pruitt was better. It wasn’t “1 vs 3” either. Because you although you agree, you don’t use the same excuses for Pruitt’s defenses they you do for Golding’s. A bit weird.
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I've never lost my cool. I just speak my mind and don't give a shite if you like it. If you want it sugar coated, go to a bakery. Otherwise, get thicker skin, it's not the end of the world when someone calls you a dumbass.
Good shite
Everyone else is being a baby but when you do it, it’s you “speaking your mind”.
Again my argument here is that Pruitt is better.
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