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re: Huge difference between an FBI Target Letter and a Subpoena
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:47 pm to ForeverGator
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:47 pm to ForeverGator
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Louisiana must have an easy bar exam and a very low standard.
burn, don't practice in Louisiana though
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That JD from Southern University isn't helping you.
OOOOOO double burn
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Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:48 pm to lsufball19
Call a truce on all of this for now? A peace deal if you will. I think we've exhausted everything thus far.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:53 pm to lsufball19
IF you are a lawyer, you will know that the NCAA doesn't need for the evidence to be allowed or not in a court of law. Inadmissible evidence, in a court of law, is still evidence for the NCAA. The court of law is not going to convict LSU of wrongdoing.........but the FEDS are the ones who are collecting the evidence. The NCAA is limited on how they can get their evidence. The FEDS don't live in that box.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:55 pm to MrAUTigers
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IF you are a lawyer, you will know that the NCAA doesn't need for the evidence to be allowed or not in a court of law. Inadmissible evidence, in a court of law, is still evidence for the NCAA. The court of law is not going to convict LSU of wrongdoing.........but the FEDS are the ones who are collecting the evidence. The NCAA is limited on how they can get their evidence. The FEDS don't live in that box.
I tried explaining this to him several times. He doesn't get it.
But I am over talking about it for now -- it has taken up enough of my time, so calling a truce. Agree to disagree.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:57 pm to ForeverGator
I'll call a truce. And for the record, no I don't think Wade is clean. I don't think most coaches are clean, especially college basketball coaches. I just don't believe this subpoena and his potential testimony is going to amount to much. Other things might down the road, but not this specific issue. I have provided why I feel this way, and you are more than welcome to disagree with that. But please, for your own sake, read the reports as to what has transpired in this case. Basically every one else has taken pleas that was indicted by the feds. Dawkins refuses to and I believe planned to at one point but changed his mind. He and Merl Code are already facing up to 20 years in prison for their previous convictions. It just appears to me as if they're going for broke and instead of focusing on their actual charges, they're trying to expose the entire college basketball world. I just don't foresee a federal judge allowing them to put on that show if it's not relevant to the case. I guess we'll find out in June or whenever this is set for trial, if they don't take pleas before we get there.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 2:02 pm to MrAUTigers
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you will know that the NCAA doesn't need for the evidence to be allowed or not in a court of law
I've never said anything to the contrary. I've simply said what has been released thus far does not amount to much. If nothing more comes from his testimony, the NCAA is going to have a very difficult time building a case around what we know now. And, not being in a court of law, Wade can lie his arse off to the NCAA if they don't have anything else but those vague statements an there's not a whole lot they can do about it without a smoking gun. We've seen this time and time again, especially in recent years.
Why I've been discussing the evidence/testimony being introduced into court is the NCAA can now use in-court testimony in their own cases. And if nothing more comes from that testimony and/or the court doesn't make him testify to certain questions asked (on relevance grounds), then the NCAA won't gather any new information at trial to use against Wade that they didn't already have, which is very little and very vague.
I am very well how the two bodies operate.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 2/26/19 at 2:06 pm to lsufball19
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I'll call a truce. And for the record, no I don't think Wade is clean. I don't think most coaches are clean, especially college basketball coaches. I just don't believe this subpoena and his potential testimony is going to amount to much. Other things might down the road, but not this specific issue. I have provided why I feel this way, and you are more than welcome to disagree with that. But please, for your own sake, read the reports as to what has transpired in this case. Basically every one else has taken pleas that was indicted by the feds. Dawkins refuses to and I believe planned to at one point but changed his mind. He and Merl Code are already facing up to 20 years in prison for their previous convictions. It just appears to me as if they're going for broke and instead of focusing on their actual charges, they're trying to expose the entire college basketball world. I just don't foresee a federal judge allowing them to put on that show if it's not relevant to the case. I guess we'll find out in June or whenever this is set for trial, if they don't take pleas before we get there.
Trolling and shite aside. I agree to an extent on this. There's possibility that he gets lucky and they don't ask him the pointed questions about his dealings with Dawkins, etc. Or like you said, maybe the case settles and he doesn't have to testify. But when this case is finished, the NCAA is going to step in -- that has been reported on several times. Especially when the NCAA receives what the Feds have on this case (as has also been reported on).
If Wade is to testify, I don't see how he comes out of it as a win. Even if he doesn't specify or admit to wrongdoing, his answers are almost certainly going to lead to the NCAA investigating deeper. He was involved with Dawkins, period -- to what degree, we don't know for 100% sure yet. This is also assuming the Feds/Defense don't already have more recordings and other evidence to question Wade on. Adidas and the Defense have compelling reasons to try and paint this picture that it was the coaches initiating stuff and not Dawkins/Adidas.
Could go several ways, and yes, cheating is rampant in college basketball. No question in my mind that Calipari, Roy Williams, Krzyzewski, and Self, among others, cheat. They just didn't get caught (yet). And unfortunately we've seen the NCAA make examples of teams that they shouldn't (Mizzou) because they couldn't get enough on the other school (UNC).
Truce accepted -- don't take this as a disagreement, more just a final statement.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 2:13 pm to ForeverGator
In those same wire taps they have runners and a Kansas asst. coach discussing Zion's demands. He ended up at Duke. No, none of the top programs are clean. 
Posted on 2/26/19 at 2:14 pm to Irons Puppet
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Correct, but if he pleads the fifth his career is over. The member institutions put a lot of emphasis on cooperation. That usually means with the NCAA, but in this case it is more important.
Nope
The NCAA still has to prove to some level we committed a violation. Unless those wiretaps have more than we know now, I donT think they do.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 2:18 pm to ForeverGator
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But when this case is finished, the NCAA is going to step in -- that has been reported on several times. Especially when the NCAA receives what the Feds have on this case (as has also been reported on).
sure, and there are about 23 or 24 schools that will be sweating when the NCAA can finally start investigating. Right now the feds aren't giving them anything, Emmert has said as much. But from early reports, the schools that seem to be facing the most scrutiny are Kansas, Louisville, and NC State. Zion Williamson was also linked to shopping his name around to Kansas through his father. Duke doesn't appear to be culpable based on what's been released, but they can force Duke to vacate all their wins this year I guess. I just don't foresee Emmert having the stones to simultaneously investigate 24+ schools. I don't think he wants that kind of scar on college athletics. But that's just my opinion. I just think there's too many schools/players involved for the NCAA to want to open that can of worms. if it was just Will Wade or just a couple schools, then sure, but it's so much bigger than that.
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If Wade is to testify, I don't see how he comes out of it as a win.
I don't really view it as a win/loss. I think it will be a push. I just don't foresee much being allowed in and them to go so far off course given Wade's communications with Dawkins aren't even the subject of the charges and wouldn't do anything, from what I can see, to defend those charges.
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This is also assuming the Feds/Defense don't already have more recordings and other evidence to question Wade on.
I think if the feds had more unsavory conversations with Wade, Dawkins' lawyer would have already tried to use them. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me for the FBI to have a lot more and Dawkins' attorney chose to go with the most vague interaction they could find.
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Adidas and the Defense have compelling reasons to try and paint this picture that it was the coaches initiating stuff and not Dawkins/Adidas.
Sure they do, but they also need to tread lightly on that because the three coaches have already accepted pleas, and if the FBI needs them to testify, it probably isn't going to be a good look for Dawkins and Merl Code. If I was their attorney, I'd probably be strongly urging for them to take a plea at this point, especially given they've already been convicted in their first trial and are awaiting sentencing. As you probably know, the sentencing phase has a lot of judicial discretion, and if they are trying to put on a show of all this, I couldn't imagine a judge being all too pleased with their course of action when levying their sentences. I haven't practiced criminal law in years, but when I did, judges wanted to hear remorse at sentencing hearings. These guys seem to be going for broke when they have nothing to stand on.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:35 pm to ForeverGator
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The FBI almost certainly has more on this than has been provided to the public. I can't wait for April 22nd when you have to eat some crow, bud.
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