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re: How much cash does it take to buy a top 25 basketball program
Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:38 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:38 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
There is no reason whatsoever Georgia shouldn't be a basketball powerhouse. You are near a major recruiting hotbed. All it would take is a major commitment.
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Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:42 pm to deeprig9
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Georgia just doesn't have a big basketball culture
Did auburn?
Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:43 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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The Hawks are starting to win again and attendance is rising again.
They're still in the bottom half of the NBA while being the 7th largest metro area in the United States.
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Every year that passes Atlanta becomes less of a transient city.
In what way has it become less of a transient city? I lived there from 2011-2014 and haven't really noticed anything discernably different since then
Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:48 pm to lsufball19
The correct answer is $tree-fiff tea.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:48 pm to AllenTXTiger
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In the case of a college football program, Jimbo Fisher!
But this isnt about football. Why do you all always try to change the subject?
Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:50 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
Honestly you don’t need any money, you need a certified Top 5 NBA draft pick (probably big) and maybe a 2nd rounder (guard) to commit and build around, so two one and dones, to be probably a top 15 team
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:51 pm to Scoob
That was a nice analysis but I believe the question is more about how much to pay the players and not the coach.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 4:57 pm to Riggle
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Did auburn?
No. Not like what it is now. Pearl has completely changed the culture around men’s Bball at Auburn.
I thought AU was crazy to spend the money to build Auburn Arena but I was wrong and props to Jay Jacobs for having the vision and for bringing Pearl to Auburn.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:02 pm to lsufball19
They had a bad run 20 games into the season, bu they got Hunter back and several roll players and they’ve won 5 straight including wins over the Bulls and Bucks and they’re only a half game out. The point is that there attendance like everybody rises when you win.
Atlanta largest growth as a percentage came from the 70’s to 90’s. Those kids are now adults that have grown up in the city, largely stayed, and allegiances shift towards local teams over time. Atlanta has continued to grow but not at the pace of 20-30 years ago. Hence the percentage of the population that’s been in metro Atlanta less than 10-15 years is much smaller than it was in say 2000.
Atlanta will always be an SEC Football and Braves town…at least in our lifetime but it doesn’t mean they won’t support a winner if you give them one.
Atlanta largest growth as a percentage came from the 70’s to 90’s. Those kids are now adults that have grown up in the city, largely stayed, and allegiances shift towards local teams over time. Atlanta has continued to grow but not at the pace of 20-30 years ago. Hence the percentage of the population that’s been in metro Atlanta less than 10-15 years is much smaller than it was in say 2000.
Atlanta will always be an SEC Football and Braves town…at least in our lifetime but it doesn’t mean they won’t support a winner if you give them one.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:03 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
Posted on 1/27/22 at 5:04 pm to lsufball19
I wouldn’t argue that (lots of Hispanics), and South Americans too.
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 1/27/22 at 6:51 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
Georgia has zero basketball history and bad reputation as far as program success goes.
That means, that to build the program into something good, you have to build up all brand new amazing facilities first, then way overpay to attract a good coach and at leat get him an interview on campus so he can see the facility improvement and think "I can win here with this."
But that takes investment from donors and alums and the school. And Georgia fans no matter how you slice it, are always going to say, "why would I donate $5000 to a shitty bball team when it can go help us win another Natty in football and help buy a 5* LBer."
Thats just the facts of it. Schools that are so good at football and it's so engrained in them and they have virtually zero basketball background are going to struggle to convince the fanbase to help them.
The only reason Auburn overcame this is because they hired a guy no one else would ever touch and he was desparate.
If Georgia went out and hired Rock Pitino, then he'd turn them into a basketball loving school, at least for a moment. Because with Rick, just like with Pearl, he won't give a shite about facilities, or academics, etc. He just wants back in a power league.
That means, that to build the program into something good, you have to build up all brand new amazing facilities first, then way overpay to attract a good coach and at leat get him an interview on campus so he can see the facility improvement and think "I can win here with this."
But that takes investment from donors and alums and the school. And Georgia fans no matter how you slice it, are always going to say, "why would I donate $5000 to a shitty bball team when it can go help us win another Natty in football and help buy a 5* LBer."
Thats just the facts of it. Schools that are so good at football and it's so engrained in them and they have virtually zero basketball background are going to struggle to convince the fanbase to help them.
The only reason Auburn overcame this is because they hired a guy no one else would ever touch and he was desparate.
If Georgia went out and hired Rock Pitino, then he'd turn them into a basketball loving school, at least for a moment. Because with Rick, just like with Pearl, he won't give a shite about facilities, or academics, etc. He just wants back in a power league.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:29 pm to aTm boy
quote:Yeah, which is why I said I figured it was a troll...
That was a nice analysis but I believe the question is more about how much to pay the players and not the coach.
But more to the point- I don't think attacking Wade for cheating is relevant, at least not anymore. No matter what you THOUGHT happened.
Johnny Jones had more talent here than Wade has brought to any one team. I want to say his best season finished with 11 losses. He had a team with the #1 player in the draft, and finished with 14 losses and missed the tourney.
You can accumulate talent, and if you can't coach it, you won't be a Top 25 team. And all you need now to accumulate talent, apparently, is the right NIL deals in place. Somebody somewhere is going to build an All-Star roster that will drastically underperform, because they don't have a coach.
Which is why you have to find the coach now; there should be NIL money in play for all big SEC schools. It's about expanding your footprint in athletics.
You gotta find your coach. LSU needs to hold onto Wade... he's had teams that could score with anyone. This year, he has a team that can't score outside of a dunk, for the most part. But they're winning because they play defense like a beast. I don't think anyone expected a Will Wade team to play D like this, but he seems to know how to do it. He builds a winning team from whatever talent you give him, styles aren't set in stone.
If UGA can find their guy, they'd see the same results.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:52 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
Good question…need some AU, TN, LSU folks in here to enlighten us…seems like our pockets ain’t deep enough at Bama…LOL
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:07 pm to First Sergeant1
1. Facilities matter and AU has very nice b-ball facilities but Bruce wants a separate basketball training facility for the mens and the women will have the current facility which is still only 11 years old.
2. Recruiting and finding guys who fit your system.
3. Building chemistry among the players. This is why Penny cannot get it done at Memphis.
4. A coach who gives the fans energy.
2. Recruiting and finding guys who fit your system.
3. Building chemistry among the players. This is why Penny cannot get it done at Memphis.
4. A coach who gives the fans energy.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:30 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
This is just an ignorant comment. Does anyone think it’s on the same level as the big 3? Of course not. But there are plenty of homegrown fans that follow their home teams. I know the Bham Legion have a large following to the point that this coming season they will be playing their home games at the new Progressive Stadium which is hosting the World Games this summer.
I don’t completely understand soccer but my son loves to play it and is pretty good at it so I’ve had to learn. It’s very intense, and the marches like tonight with the US v: El Salvador, are really entertaining.
Don’t be stupid.
I don’t completely understand soccer but my son loves to play it and is pretty good at it so I’ve had to learn. It’s very intense, and the marches like tonight with the US v: El Salvador, are really entertaining.
Don’t be stupid.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:45 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
It begins with culture, What Ruby posted is most like the most truth you will find.
Finding a coach who will win with the current culture and aid in changing that perception is key. 1-2 great players, with the right coach can turn the program around much faster than with football, and even baseball overall.
Muss has brought the energy back to a place that was hungry for success once more. We have experienced it whole heartedly and lost it with a bang. From the Stan heath, Pel experience to Mike Anderson bringing passion back at least to this has been a ride.
Find that coach.. invest in his plan and program, but vet him well. Make sure his plan is based on outcomes and goals that will be able to be seen and adjusted. Then you will have the beginning of a great program. ALong with this coach comes a few wins, momentum, facilities, etc.
Finding a coach who will win with the current culture and aid in changing that perception is key. 1-2 great players, with the right coach can turn the program around much faster than with football, and even baseball overall.
Muss has brought the energy back to a place that was hungry for success once more. We have experienced it whole heartedly and lost it with a bang. From the Stan heath, Pel experience to Mike Anderson bringing passion back at least to this has been a ride.
Find that coach.. invest in his plan and program, but vet him well. Make sure his plan is based on outcomes and goals that will be able to be seen and adjusted. Then you will have the beginning of a great program. ALong with this coach comes a few wins, momentum, facilities, etc.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 12:59 am to Jack Ruby
quote:Oh bullshite. You have 90k+ going to football games, I guarantee you will find 9K that will flock to a WINNING basketball team. You do have to build something first, but you have an SEC budget.
Georgia has zero basketball history and bad reputation as far as program success goes.
That means, that to build the program into something good, you have to build up all brand new amazing facilities first, then way overpay to attract a good coach and at leat get him an interview on campus so he can see the facility improvement and think "I can win here with this."
But that takes investment from donors and alums and the school. And Georgia fans no matter how you slice it, are always going to say, "why would I donate $5000 to a shitty bball team when it can go help us win another Natty in football and help buy a 5* LBer."
Thats just the facts of it. Schools that are so good at football and it's so engrained in them and they have virtually zero basketball background are going to struggle to convince the fanbase to help them.
Look at Alabama, no history in basketball to speak of. Oates is building something there, and fans go.
Basketball doesn't COMPETE with football, it SUPPLEMENTS it. UGA just won a natty, you have a lot of happy Dawgs fans out there who would go see a good basketball team right now. Diehards? Nah, but they have their gear and would enjoy watching UGA sports succeed in more things this spring.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:10 am to deeprig9
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Hawks gave a good product last season. Empty stands this season. Unless the Heat or Bulls etc are in town, then their transplants show up and outnumber the Hawks fans.
Worked for me back in the day. We’d come for the tournament and if the Hawks were in town you could basically sit anywhere in the upper half for 10 bucks. Saw Tayshaun go off for 30 that way.
Posted on 1/28/22 at 1:22 am to Stidham8
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You have to get lucky and hire a great coach. Bruce fell into Auburn’s lap.
This!
Pearl is the blue print on how to do it. He came to a school who's bball history could be written in a short paragraph. He has turned Auburn into a place where kids want to come play. Auburn has also decided it's worth putting money into the program. If Auburn can do it, anybody can.
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